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I will pray for her.
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OK, so the thread has been split.
Now the place of discussion is no longer an issue, so perhaps you can concentrate on debating the issue instead of throwing ad hominems at one another.
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Earlier morning I posted my first public health billboard on FD which I will erect when I become Mayor of Edmonton. My ealier FD post was before becoming aware of Belinda Stronach and this debate. The timing almost seems like a God thing. This will the first of a series of public health billboards I have planned for Edmonton. Click on the link to see it here:
http://www.mydatabus.com/public/Billwhatcott/Mayorswomenshealthinitiative.pdf
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http://www.breastcancer.org/research_diet_062702.html
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Birth Control Pills Do Not Increase Breast Cancer Risk
New England Journal of Medicine, June 27, 2002
Background and Importance of the study: Oral contraceptives —also known as birth control pills or just "the pill"—are the second most popular method of birth control in the United States after sterilization.
Birth control pills are very effective at preventing unwanted pregnancy. Past research has also shown that the pill helps protect women against ovarian and uterine cancer. Yet many women have long feared that birth control pills pose health risks, including an increase in the risk of breast cancer.
Now a large, well-designed study provides solid evidence that birth control pills do NOT increase the risk of breast cancer. This finding is true even in women who have taken the pill for a long time and for women with a family history of breast cancer.
Words on this page Words on this Page
* ovarian cancer
* estrogen
* menopause
* endometrial cancer
The study showed no increase in breast cancer risk even among women who started using the pill when they were young. This is important because large numbers of American women who took birth control pills years ago are now reaching the age when breast cancer risk increases. For these women, it is reassuring to know that having taken the pill will not add to their breast cancer risk.
Study design: The study was conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. Researchers interviewed more than 9,200 women between the ages of 35 and 64 who lived in Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Seattle. Of these women, 4,575 had recently been diagnosed with breast cancer, and 4,682 had not. In both groups, nearly four out of five women had used birth control pills at some point in their lives.
The women answered questions about their current and past use of birth control pills and other hormones, their own reproductive and health histories, and the health histories of their families. Researchers showed the women pictures of different birth control pill packs to help them remember which pills they had used years ago.
Results: The researchers found no increased risk of breast cancer in the vast majority of women who had used birth control pills and did not have a personal history of breast cancer. Age, race, weight, length of time on birth control pills, and type of pill used made no difference. Relative risk of breast cancer did not increase with higher estrogen doses, nor was it higher in black women, women with a family history of breast cancer, or women who used birth control pills at an early age.
There was only one group of women for whom results were not 100% conclusive. These were women between the ages of 45 and 64 who took birth control pills before or during menopause. These older women in the study had taken the pill to help with symptoms such as irregular periods, to prevent unwanted pregnancy, or to lower the risk of other conditions such as ovarian and endometrial cancer.
In that particular group, the study found evidence of a very small increase in breast cancer risk. But the risk was so small that it was not considered statistically significant, which means the finding may have been due to chance and not to the fact that the women had taken the pill. To determine whether or not the increased risk really is due to taking the pill, researchers will have to study larger numbers of women in this age group. |
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| Connie wrote: | To be honest, as a woman, I find this more offensive than what Paycheck said:
| TeamNeedles wrote: | | As for Paycheck; people who ride in cars are far more likely to get in an accident than somebody who's Amish. Want to get rid of motor vehichles, too? |
If there is a health risk to women using oral contraceptives (even if that risk is slight), there should be open discussion about it so that women who choose to use them are fully informed of the risks.
For some guy to suggest that having his supply of hormone-pumped, pregnancy-proof babes cut off would be equivalent to wiping out the automobile is both disgusting and degrading to women.
Was Paycheck insensitive in bringing up that topic on this thread? Yes. But, frankly, I'm not impressed with the reaction of the other men, either. Men have no business trying to shut down discussion about the risks of oral contraceptives because they have everything to gain and nothing to lose if women take them. |
Very well said, Connie.
Yes, he was insensitive. Breast cancer is something that touches all of us in some way and these types of discussions should be dealt with sensitively.
What saddens me, though, is how often (for fear of appearing insensitive to those with breast cancer) this kind of debate is stifled.
Women have a right to know the real risks that come with taking oral contraceptives. The vast majority of women are not being told the true risks. This is the typical amount of information we are given:
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from http://www.uofmchildrenshospital.org/library/content/pa_contrace_wha.htm
Birth Control Pills (Oral Contraceptives)
What are the benefits?
The benefits are:
* Birth control pills are 92 to over 99% effective in preventing pregnancy. This means that, for every 100 women who use the pills for a year, 8 or fewer women will become pregnant by the end of the year.
*You do not have to interrupt lovemaking to use a birth control device or spermicide.
*Periods become regular and usually lighter. Menstrual cramps may be less severe.
*Long-term use lowers the risk of cancer of the ovary.
Birth control pills may reduce symptoms of premenstrual syndrome (PMS).
What are the disadvantages?
One disadvantage of birth control pills is that you must remember to take a pill every day.
The pills usually have no side effects, but sometimes they cause side effects such as:
irregular menstrual bleeding or spotting for the first few months after you start birth control pills
dizziness
nausea and vomiting
swelling of your hands or ankles
pain, swelling, or tenderness in the abdomen
breast swelling or tenderness
more appetite and weight gain
trouble sleeping, weakness, lack of energy, fatigue, or depression
headaches
vaginal infection (usually yeast)
allergic reaction, rash, itching
amenorrhea (absence of menstrual period)
less interest in sex
changes in hair growth patterns
vision or contact lens problems
yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes (jaundice).
You should not smoke. Smoking increases the risk of serious side effects, such as heart attack, stroke, and blood clots. This is especially true if you are over 35 years old and smoke 15 or more cigarettes a day. |
Here is a press release from the World Health Organization in July 2005. Do you think most women have heard about this...
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http://www.iarc.fr/ENG/Press_Releases/pr167a.html
INTERNATIONAL AGENCY FOR RESEARCH ON CANCER MONOGRAPHS PROGRAMME FINDS COMBINED ESTROGEN-PROGESTOGEN CONTRACEPTIVES AND MENOPAUSAL THERAPY ARE CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
An IARC Monographs Working Group has concluded that combined estrogen-progestogen oral contraceptives and combined estrogen-progestogen menopausal therapy are carcinogenic to humans (Group 1), after a thorough review of the published scientific evidence.
At the same time, the Working Group stressed that there is also convincing evidence that oral contraceptives have a protective effect against some types of cancer.
There are both beneficial and adverse effects for oral contraceptives and menopausal therapy. Each woman who uses these products should discuss the overall risks and benefits with her doctor.
The Working Group, comprising 21 scientists from 8 countries, was convened by the IARC Monographs Programme of the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), the cancer research agency of the World Health Organization. |
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Roy Wilson
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| Bill Whatcott wrote: | Earlier morning I posted my first public health billboard on FD which I will erect when I become Mayor of Edmonton. My ealier FD post was before becoming aware of Belinda Stronach and this debate. The timing almost seems like a God thing. This will the first of a series of public health billboards I have planned for Edmonton. Click on the link to see it here:
http://www.mydatabus.com/public/Billwhatcott/Mayorswomenshealthinitiative.pdf |
Yea right Bill. God told you to post it. 
BTW your agenda has jack to to with breast cancer, be honest one time.
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I don't exactly know what the cause of Breast cancer is. I do know that both of the major portion of my breasts are on slides and petri dishes after being removed. I was lucky as they were considered precancerous. So for a chance at life I donated the better part of my chest and lost my hair. Hair grows back and you can buy better breast off the shelf than I ever was blessed with so I got over it.
I have never taken a birthcontrol pill so there is no connection there.
At one time we were all listed as dying of natural causes even if you died young. Now there has to be a reason. Every death must have a cause and label. Does that mean that more people are dying of cancer or does that just mean that they are being counted as such now. I wonder.
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| HeywoodFloyd wrote: | http://www.breastcancer.org/research_diet_062702.html
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Birth Control Pills Do Not Increase Breast Cancer Risk
New England Journal of Medicine, June 27, 2002
Background and Importance of the study: Oral contraceptives —also known as birth control pills or just "the pill"—are the second most popular method of birth control in the United States after sterilization.
Birth control pills are very effective at preventing unwanted pregnancy. Past research has also shown that the pill helps protect women against ovarian and uterine cancer. Yet many women have long feared that birth control pills pose health risks, including an increase in the risk of breast cancer.
Now a large, well-designed study provides solid evidence that birth control pills do NOT increase the risk of breast cancer. This finding is true even in women who have taken the pill for a long time and for women with a family history of breast cancer.
Words on this page Words on this Page
* ovarian cancer
* estrogen
* menopause
* endometrial cancer
The study showed no increase in breast cancer risk even among women who started using the pill when they were young. This is important because large numbers of American women who took birth control pills years ago are now reaching the age when breast cancer risk increases. For these women, it is reassuring to know that having taken the pill will not add to their breast cancer risk.
Study design: The study was conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. Researchers interviewed more than 9,200 women between the ages of 35 and 64 who lived in Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Seattle. Of these women, 4,575 had recently been diagnosed with breast cancer, and 4,682 had not. In both groups, nearly four out of five women had used birth control pills at some point in their lives.
The women answered questions about their current and past use of birth control pills and other hormones, their own reproductive and health histories, and the health histories of their families. Researchers showed the women pictures of different birth control pill packs to help them remember which pills they had used years ago.
Results: The researchers found no increased risk of breast cancer in the vast majority of women who had used birth control pills and did not have a personal history of breast cancer. Age, race, weight, length of time on birth control pills, and type of pill used made no difference. Relative risk of breast cancer did not increase with higher estrogen doses, nor was it higher in black women, women with a family history of breast cancer, or women who used birth control pills at an early age.
There was only one group of women for whom results were not 100% conclusive. These were women between the ages of 45 and 64 who took birth control pills before or during menopause. These older women in the study had taken the pill to help with symptoms such as irregular periods, to prevent unwanted pregnancy, or to lower the risk of other conditions such as ovarian and endometrial cancer.
In that particular group, the study found evidence of a very small increase in breast cancer risk. But the risk was so small that it was not considered statistically significant, which means the finding may have been due to chance and not to the fact that the women had taken the pill. To determine whether or not the increased risk really is due to taking the pill, researchers will have to study larger numbers of women in this age group. |
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For those who are legitimately interested in the effect oral contraceptives are having on women (and who are not just here to score points against FD posters that annoy them  )...
Here is a cohort study that is 10 times as large...
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/11/11/1375
A large cohort study is the preferred method of study when performing linkage studies because individuals are followed over many years...both before and after they develop the disease. And therefore, unlike the case-control study cited above, this cohort study is NOT susceptible to recall bias.
This cohort study started in 1992/1992 with 196,000 women aged 30–49 years and followed 103,027 of them through to 1999.
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Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention Vol. 11, 1375-1381, November 2002
© 2002 American Association for Cancer Research
Use of Oral Contraceptives and Breast Cancer Risk
The Norwegian-Swedish Women’s Lifestyle and Health Cohort Study
1Merethe Kumle2, Elisabete Weiderpass, Tonje Braaten, Ingemar Persson, Hans-Olov Adami and Eiliv Lund
Institute of Community Medicine, University of Tromsoe, 9037 Tromsoe, Norway [M. K., T. B., E. L.]; Department of Medical Epidemiology, Karolinska Institutet, S-17177 Stockholm, Sweden [E. W., H-O. A.]; IARC, F-69372 Lyon, France [E. W.]; and Medical Products Agency, S-75103 Uppsala, Sweden [I. P.]
Abstract
Current use of oral contraceptives (OCs) has been reportedto increase breast cancer risk slightly. In 1991/1992, a prospective cohort study specifically designed to examine the role of hormonal contraceptives in relation to breast cancer was conducted in Norway and Sweden. This study was entitled Women’s Lifestyle and Health. Of 196,000 invited women aged 30–49 years, 106,844 women answered a 4-page questionnaire. Altogether, 103,027 women providing information on contraceptive use were included in the analysis presented here, and 1,008 primary invasive breast cancers were diagnosed throughout 1999 (end of follow-up). Proportional hazard regression was used to calculate relative risks (RRs) with adjustment for age and other possible confounders. An increased breast cancer risk was observed among women who were current/recent users of OCs of any type at the start of follow-up [RR, 1.6; 96% confidence interval (CI), 1.2–2.1]. Current/recent use (i.e., use in the year preceding cohort enrolment) of combined OCs (RR, 1.5; 95% CI, 1.0–2.0) and progestin-only pills (RR, 1.6; 95% CI, 1.0–2.4) entailed similar levels of increased risk. An increased risk of borderline significance was found among short-term (i.e., less than 13 months) users before age 20 years (RR, 1.3; 95% CI, 1.0–1.7) and before first full-term pregnancy (RR, 1.4; 95% CI). Long-term users of OCs were at a higher risk of breast cancer than never users (test for trend, P = 0.005). Current/recent use of OCs is associated with an increased breast cancer risk. Use of combined OCs and progestin-only pills seem to increase the risk at the same level.
Introduction
Use of hormonal contraceptives has revolutionized the reproductive life of women since the 1960s (1) . Such drugs can be divided into combined OCs3 and progestin-only contraceptives, available as injections, implants, oral preparations (pills), and hormone-releasing intrauterine devices. OC is the common generic term for combined OCs and progestin-only pills when it is not specified which of the two is used. These contraceptives affect not only the reproductive system but also the incidence of various diseases, as reviewed recently (1) . In particular, use of combined OCs has been reported to slightly increase breast cancer risk. The effect is highest among current users and vanishes within 10 years after cessation of use (2) . With regard to use of progestin-only pills, the results are inconsistent, but there is some suggestion that the risk is slightly elevated in current and recent users (3) .
Most data on the association between use of combined OCs and breast cancer risk come from case-control studies (1 , 3) , which are susceptible to recall bias (1 , 4) . The association between combined OCs and breast cancer has also been analyzed in several cohort studies, particularly in relation to drugs used until the early 1980s (1 , 2 , 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14) . For the association between breast cancer and progestin-only pills, there are a few case-control studies (15, 16, 17) and the pooled analysis of individual data made by the Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors and Breast Cancer (3) .
We report here the first results from the Women’s Lifestyle and Health study, a large prospective cohort study that began in Norway and Sweden in the early 1990s. The study was specifically designed to examine the role of hormonal contraceptives in breast cancer risk.
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Results
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Risk by Pattern of OC Use
Women having ever used OCs presented a 30% higher risk of developing breast cancer than never-users (Table 2) . RR for breast cancer among ever-users of OCs remained significantly increased after exclusion of current/recent users from the analysis (RR = 1.2). Results were similar when we excluded breast cancer cases occurring in the first 2 years of follow-up. Compared with never-users of OCs, women who were current/recent users at the start of follow-up had a 60% increased breast cancer risk, and former users had a 20% increased breast cancer risk. We found a weak but statistically significant association between duration of OC use and increased risk of breast cancer (test for trend, P = 0.005; Table 2 ).
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Discussion
Our prospective study, probably the largest thus far among premenopausal women, confirmed that the use of OCs is associated with an increased breast cancer risk and that this association is most pronounced among current/recent users.
Recently, the Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer (3) has pooled together data from almost all studies published until the mid-1990s on use of contraceptives and breast cancer risk. Results of this pooled analysis indicate that current/recent use of combined OCs increases breast cancer risk by 24%. They also indicate that current/recent use of OCs is probably the main contributor to the increase in breast cancer risk related to ever use of hormonal contraceptives. When the analysis was restricted to cohort studies, ever use of combined OCs increased breast cancer risk by only 7% (2) . More recently, a cohort study from the Netherlands (12) showed RRs similar to ours among women aged 55 years, although not significantly different from unity.
Our finding of an increased risk of breast cancer even 15 years or more after cessation of OC use is not in accordance with the Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer study, where no excess risk could be found 10 or more years after stopping OC use. The reason why we could not confirm this finding is not obvious.
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Strengths of our study include its prospective design, large size, and complete follow-up. Our study was designed and carried out simultaneously in Norway and Sweden using largely identical protocols. Because cancer registration is compulsory in both countries, the assessments of cases are virtually complete. Although data on use of OCs and on all potential confounders were ascertained in great detail at cohort entry, some women have likely changed their use during the follow-up period. This would entail nondifferential misclassification, which attenuates the strength of any true association (24) . Most women aged 40 years and over who were current/recent users of OCs at cohort entry will probably have ceased their contraception use during the follow-up, and this might have caused underestimation of the excess in risk for breast cancer.
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Our study confirms previously published results indicating that current/recent use of OCs does increase breast cancer risk. Duration of OC use might also be of importance in the development of breast cancer. Additional studies are needed to elucidate whether progestin-only pills and combined OCs have different effects on breast cancer.
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According to the bible, cancer is caused by sin.
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This just in.......100% of those who have eaten carrots will die. |
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| free_life2 wrote: | According to the bible, cancer is caused by sin.
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Show me a quote where the word cancer is even mentioned?
My sisterinlaw died of cancer, my mother and motherinlaw and a few good friends that I would consider very good people.
Cancer is caused by sin.
Dumbest thing I have seen written in weeks.
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| Roy Wilson wrote: | | free_life2 wrote: | According to the bible, cancer is caused by sin.
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This just in.......100% of those who have eaten carrots will die. |
Show me a quote where the word cancer is even mentioned?
My sisterinlaw died of cancer, my mother and motherinlaw and a few good friends that I would consider very good people.
Cancer is caused by sin.
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The Word of God speaks for Itself.
1Cor 15:56 For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
Your sister inlaw, mother .....etc, may be the finest people who have ever lived, but sin results in death for all people. Cancer as all sickness is a result of the curse of all mankind's sin and we all have sinned.
The Good News on sin is God has dealt with it and gives us the choice to receive His power and victory over sin.
1Cor 15:57 How we thank God, who gives us victory over sin and death through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Cancer, sickness and death are not gifts from God. |
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| free_life2 wrote: | | Roy Wilson wrote: | | free_life2 wrote: | According to the bible, cancer is caused by sin.
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On another note.....
This just in.......100% of those who have eaten carrots will die. |
Show me a quote where the word cancer is even mentioned?
My sisterinlaw died of cancer, my mother and motherinlaw and a few good friends that I would consider very good people.
Cancer is caused by sin.
Dumbest thing I have seen written in weeks. |
The Word of God speaks for Itself.
1Cor 15:56 For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
Your sister inlaw, mother .....etc, may be the finest people who have ever lived, but sin results in death for all people. Cancer as all sickness is a result of the curse of all mankind's sin and we all have sinned.
The Good News on sin is God has dealt with it and gives us the choice to receive His power and victory over sin.
1Cor 15:57 How we thank God, who gives us victory over sin and death through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Cancer, sickness and death are not gifts from God. |
News flash for you .... EVERBODY DIES. Your bible does not specify cancer as you indicated.
You are really grassping at staws here.
i have cheated death many times and yes have sinned, who hasnt?
How do you feel about death in a car accident? Is that because the peson sinned?
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Cancer, sickness and death are not gifts from G-d.
If you have suffered in extreme pain death can be a gift from G-d.
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| free_life2 wrote: | According to the bible, cancer is caused by sin.
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Will pass this on to the Cancer Researchers, they may as well pack up and go home.
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| free_life2 wrote: | According to the bible, cancer is caused by sin.
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Oral Contraceptives also have the ability to early destroy human life after conception. Really freelife OCPs are not a good thing and evangelicals as well as Catholics should abstain from them.
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