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 Posted: 02/ 10/ 07 11:21 pm Post subject: 'Gathering of Eagles' to protect Vietnam Veterans Wall |
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'Gathering of Eagles'
to protect Vietnam Veterans Wall
By C.J. Raven
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
February 07, 2007
Leftist activists who march to the Pentagon next month will discover that their path won't be as clear as it has been in the past.
The group, led by Cindy Sheehan, Jane Fonda, Ramsey Clark and their ilk, plan to gather March 17 at the Vietnam Memorial Wall to begin a march to protest America's involvement in the Iraq war. The date marks the fourth anniversary of the war's beginning.
This time, however, protestors will see objectors if they spit on Iraqi veterans again, or throw paint on a war memorial. This time, they will encounter a buzz saw of Vietnam veterans and supporters who will gather to protect the Wall, and show their support for U.S. troops. The counter-protestors are calling themselves the Gathering of Eagles.
"… An eagle knows when a storm is approaching long before it breaks. The eagle will fly to some high spot and wait for the winds to come. When the storm hits, it sets its wings so that the wind will pick it up and lift it above the storm. While the storm rages below, the eagle is soaring above it."
An unknown author wrote that description, but it describes how the veterans see their mission. They are angry that the Wall is being used as a jumping off point for a political protest and they are gathering to protect it from another storm of anti-war activists.
"The anti-war/anti-America group cannot be allowed to use the Vietnam Memorial Wall as a back-drop to their anti-America venom and stain the hallowed ground that virtually cries out with blood at the thought of this proposed desecration ... it must not happen," said veteran Bud Gross. "… All Americans are invited to support our effort, which is intended as a defender of hallowed ground and intended as a non-violent competition between those that would sell out America and those of us who support freedom and keeping the fight with the enemy on distant shores."
The group defending the Wall will be wearing armbands to identify themselves. Those who are unable to stand with the defenders are being asked to wear armbands with small U.S. flags to show their own communities that they abhor the Fonda-Sheehan tactics.
"We'll be there to act as a countervailing force against the Cindy Sheehan-Jane Fonda march from the Vietnam Memorial to the Pentagon," retired Navy Capt. Larry Bailey said. "We will protect the Vietnam Memorial. If they try to deface it, there will be some violence, I guarantee you."
Bailey and thousands of his fellow Vietnam vets are worried that the anti-war protesters will damage the wall, just as they spray-painted the steps of the Capitol at their last march......continued
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 CelebrateLifeJoined: 13 Apr 2005 Total posts: 1244 Location: Not far from Queen's Park Gender: Male
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It's hard to believe they would deface the Vietnam War Memorial; it would certainly be counter-productive to thier cause.
There are those who believe Vietnam was a mistake (and believed it 40 years ago); there are those who believe Iraq was a mistake (and believed it 4 years ago); and there are certainly those who might make the connection.
But from a Nationalist point of view, the war in Vietnam was fully supported, for several years, by a majority of Americans. Many of those who opposed at least had compassion and respect for those who were swept up in the draft, and lost their lives.
The war in Iraq is not nearly so simple as many Americans fell out of faovur with the war within months of engagement and in a few short years most oppose it. As well, the men and women fighting, and dying, are volunteers and not "forced" to go.
It is a completely different dynamic.
Those who view the Vietnam war as unjust might well be the very same Americans viewing the war in Iraq as unjust. Defacing a memorial to those who served, under the draft, would not further the anti-war crowd. |
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 J.B. Stone
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| CelebrateLife wrote: | It's hard to believe they would deface the Vietnam War Memorial; it would certainly be counter-productive to thier cause.
There are those who believe Vietnam was a mistake (and believed it 40 years ago); there are those who believe Iraq was a mistake (and believed it 4 years ago); and there are certainly those who might make the connection.
But from a Nationalist point of view, the war in Vietnam was fully supported, for several years, by a majority of Americans. Many of those who opposed at least had compassion and respect for those who were swept up in the draft, and lost their lives.
The war in Iraq is not nearly so simple as many Americans fell out of faovur with the war within months of engagement and in a few short years most oppose it. As well, the men and women fighting, and dying, are volunteers and not "forced" to go.
It is a completely different dynamic.
Those who view the Vietnam war as unjust might well be the very same Americans viewing the war in Iraq as unjust. Defacing a memorial to those who served, under the draft, would not further the anti-war crowd. |
You don't have the SLIGHTEST idea what you're talking about.
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| CelebrateLife Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Total posts: 1244 Location: Not far from Queen's Park Gender: Male
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| Posted: 02/ 11/ 07 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| J.B. Stone wrote: | | You don't have the SLIGHTEST idea what you're talking about. |
Thank you so much. As a fellow (ex-)westerner, I appreciate the vote of confidence. |
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| bulldog905 Member
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Ramsey Clark, Jane Fonda, and Cindy Sheehan, are not fit to go anywhere near The Wall.
The only wall they should have been in front of would be a backdrop for a firing squad for treason. |
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J.B. Stone
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| bulldog905 wrote: | Ramsey Clark, Jane Fonda, and Cindy Sheehan, are not fit to go anywhere near The Wall.
The only wall they should have been in front of would be a backdrop for a firing squad for treason. |
Ever since I learned of Rolling Thunder and the Run for the Wall, I've been fantasizing about John Effing Kerry showing up at the rally on Memorial Day.....
He wouldn't last ten MINUTES.
| Quote: | The following Mission Statement, Philosophy and Goals are the vision for Run for the Wall:
Mission Statement: To promote healing among all veterans and their families and friends, to call for an accounting of all Prisoners of War and those Missing in Action (POW/MIA), and to honor the memory of those Killed in Action (KIA) from all wars.
Philosophy: We strive to maintain a safe, supportive and private atmosphere in which all participants can reflect and heal on their journey to the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, D.C. in the hope that they can return home to a new beginning.
Goals:
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To guide the participants across America.
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To educate future generations as to the importance of accountability in wartime actions emphasizing that no one should be left behind.
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To participate in Rolling Thunder in support of their demand for government accountability for POW/MIAs.
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Veteran in Tiger Cage...
A few of the Riders at the North Parking Lot...Pentagon...
Rolling Thunder began in 1988 as a reminder to politicians of those soldiers missing in action or prisoners of war. Nearly 300,000 motorcycles park in front of the Pentagon on Memorial Day to show support to POW and MIA victims.
Well....I've been TRYING to go for several years now.
Got me a bike.
Got me a truck.
Wanna go....??? |
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J.B. Stone
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| Posted: 02/ 11/ 07 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| CelebrateLife wrote: | It's hard to believe they would deface the Vietnam War Memorial; it would certainly be counter-productive to thier cause.
There are those who believe Vietnam was a mistake (and believed it 40 years ago); there are those who believe Iraq was a mistake (and believed it 4 years ago); and there are certainly those who might make the connection.
But from a Nationalist point of view, the war in Vietnam was fully supported, for several years, by a majority of Americans. Many of those who opposed at least had compassion and respect for those who were swept up in the draft, and lost their lives.
The war in Iraq is not nearly so simple as many Americans fell out of faovur with the war within months of engagement and in a few short years most oppose it. As well, the men and women fighting, and dying, are volunteers and not "forced" to go.
It is a completely different dynamic.
Those who view the Vietnam war as unjust might well be the very same Americans viewing the war in Iraq as unjust. Defacing a memorial to those who served, under the draft, would not further the anti-war crowd. |
Read and Learn....a little history will do you GOOD:
It’d be nice to live in a world free of disease, pestilence and violent conflict. We all want things we can’t have. The difference is in how you deal with the news.
It appears that Cesar Hernandez is upset. Imagine that. Evidently, Will Elliot’s suggestion that Cesar stick to tree hugging didn’t sit well. Hernandez has created quite a legacy of being a snake oil salesman for the Montana Wilderness Association so he shouldn’t be offended. He’s an expert. Ask him.
Cesar, you depend on lies, distortions, and outright fabrications to win incremental victories for your fellow enviro-chondriacs. Now this is “your” country and we should all stop dead in our tracks until you determine how to conduct a Global War on Terror. Fair enough.
What indicts you in this instance is your total lack of concern for our military when Democrats make the decisions. We never heard a peep when Bill Clinton was waging war on civilians and bridges in Kosovo from 30,000 feet. Did we?
Your ruse is transparent, Mr. Hernandez. You gave yourself away using the standard Leftist causality that President Bush is a “chicken hawk” to support your argument. You state that you know Marines who, “died in Vietnam while people like ‘Bush & Company’ were hiding behind their daddy’s pull and nefarious deferments.” That you’d revise history to further any portion of your crusade to destroy logging and mining in Montana is no surprise. Whatever weakens the will and perseverance of productive Americans suits you. So, your reputation is still intact.
Actually, President Kennedy secured our involvement in the Vietnam War by increasing the number of “advisers” sixteen-fold even though as a Senator he was critical of the interventionist anti-Communist policies of John Foster Dulles. Previously, while in graduate school, Kennedy used his “daddy’s pull” to overcome objections to his bad back and joined the Navy with the help of Captain Alan Kirk, the Director, Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). Kirk was the Naval Attache in London while Joseph Kennedy was Ambassador. There was no “nefarious deferment”; just the opposite.
Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense under both JFK and LBJ, was a statistical control officer in the Army Air Forces during WWII. He helped General Curtis LeMay to plan almost a thousand firebombings in 67 Japanese cities. McNamara states, "In a single night we burned to death 100,000 civilians -- men, women, and children in Tokyo." He also says LeMay once told him, "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." Throughout the Cuban Missile Crisis, McNamara advised Kennedy to bomb Cuba, nearly precipitating a nuclear WWIII with the Russians. Ain’t no “chicken hawks” here!
There’s also no complaint from Cesar Hernandez because the truth doesn’t fit his MO. It’s just coincidental that they’re both Democrats. McNamara stayed at LBJ’s side while he expanded and micromanaged the Vietnam War. Hernandez incorrectly indicts others for causing his involvement in Vietnam, calling them “chicken hawks”, but the Senators who agreed with the Kennedy and Johnson decisions got the bulk of their information from McNamara. It was the Republican, Nixon, who withdrew us from Vietnam. In Cesar’s world, anything that happens outside his focus doesn’t exist.
It’s obviously more important for Hernandez to look good in front of his wildlands cronies than other veterans. That’s why he also favors John Kerry over George Bush. Kerry made flip flopping an art in regard to the Iraq War. Amazingly, John Kerry also wrongly accused an entire generation of wrongdoing in Vietnam, including Cesar Hernandez.
You need to choose your friends more carefully, Cesar, no matter how much they hate George Bush. You just never know when a Massachusetts Senator is going to vacillate...even if it means that sacrificing your own honor will help you “win” in the short run.
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| bulldog905 Member
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JB Stone Notes | Quote: | Rolling Thunder began in 1988 as a reminder to politicians of those soldiers missing in action or prisoners of war. Nearly 300,000 motorcycles park in front of the Pentagon on Memorial Day to show support to POW and MIA victims.
Well....I've been TRYING to go for several years now.
Got me a bike.
Got me a truck.
Wanna go....??? |
I've never been, on Memorial Day, but as I know D.C. very well, and have relatives there, I have visited the wall more than a few times at other times.(I usually combine it with a trip to nearby Arlington Cemetery).
I once made a bum who was about to urinate nearby go away and do his business elsewhere.
It would be a very stirring trip to visit the wall on Memorial Day.
I'm thinking about it!
P.S: The tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and the 24 hour honour guard at Arlington never cease to move me. |
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| Hailey Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Total posts: 19655 Location: Edmonton Gender: Female
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| Posted: 02/ 11/ 07 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Ramsey Clark, Jane Fonda, and Cindy Sheehan, are not fit to go anywhere near The Wall. |
I have sympathy for Cindy Sheehan. She lost a son.
You are right though that visiting Arlington Cemetary is very moving. I've been just once as I've only been to that area once.
And I agree Celebrate life that it is hard to believe that those who oppose the war would do something as heinous as vandalize the wall. |
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J.B. Stone
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| Hailey wrote: | | Quote: | | Ramsey Clark, Jane Fonda, and Cindy Sheehan, are not fit to go anywhere near The Wall. |
I have sympathy for Cindy Sheehan. She lost a son.
You are right though that visiting Arlington Cemetary is very moving. I've been just once as I've only been to that area once.
And I agree Celebrate life that it is hard to believe that those who oppose the war would do something as heinous as vandalize the wall. |
...don't know much about COMMIE SCUM, do you...???
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| Smaug Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Total posts: 7396 Location: Edmonton Gender: Unknown
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I have no sympathy for Sheehan. She pisses on her son everytime she opens her mouth.
It does not matter wether you oppose war or not.
Those who die in service to their country deserve special honour. They do not deserve to have their memory and their sacrifice used as a political statement. |
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| bulldog905 Member
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For those who have not been to The Wall, or those who have, and wish to again experience SOME of it's power, I highly recommend this website.
The Virtual Wall-Vietnam Veterans Memorial
Just a quick browsing, will bring a realization of the courage, sacrifice, patriotism, integrity, dedication, and inate goodness, that the 58,000 or so of 'the best and the brightest' who are on it ,accomplished. |
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| Hailey wrote: |
And I agree Celebrate life that it is hard to believe that those who oppose the war would do something as heinous as vandalize the wall. |
You have a lot to learn then.
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Roy Wilson
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Pigs all of them shoot them if they get within 500 ft of the wall.
Get Fonda and Sheehan first.
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J.B. Stone
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| Roy Wilson wrote: | Pigs all of them shoot them if they get within 500 ft of the wall.
Get Fonda and Sheehan first. |
good to see you back, ROY...  |
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