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 OgopogoJoined: 11 Dec 2004 Total posts: 13102 Gender: Unknown
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 Posted: 10/ 29/ 05 5:07 pm Post subject: Paris rioting largely unreported |
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Second Night Of Rioting In Paris
Saturday, October 29, 2005 Posted: 1143 GMT (1943 HKT)
PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Hundreds of French youths fought with police and set cars ablaze in a suburb of Paris early Saturday in a second night of rioting which media said was triggered when two teenagers died fleeing police.
The two teenagers were killed and a third seriously injured on Thursday night when they were electrocuted in an electricity sub station as they fled from police investigating a break-in, media reported.
Firefighters intervened around 40 times on Friday night in the northeastern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois where many of the 28,000 residents are immigrants, mainly from Africa, police and fire officers said.
Unidentified youths fired a shot at police but no one was hurt, police said.
A police trade union called for help from the army to support police officers.
"There's a civil war underway in Clichy-Sous-Bois at the moment," Michel Thooris, an official of police trade union Action Police CFTC, said .
"We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical or theoretical training for street fighting," he said.
Television pictures showed youths lobbing stones at police officers while cars burned on the streets of the suburb. Police in riot gear chased some youths down an alleyway.
Around 19 people were detained and 15 police officers and one journalist injured, police said. They were unable to give figures for the number of protesters hurt.
Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who announced a crackdown on urban violence this month, said the youths who climbed into the electricity sub station were not being chased by police. He said police were pursuing other youths after an attempted break-in.
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On Thursday night, youths set cars and garbage cans ablaze and attacked shops and a fire station. Officials said 23 vehicles, including some post office delivery trucks, were set ablaze and destroyed in the protests.
A silent march in honor of the two dead teenagers was taking place on Saturday morning in Clichy-Sous-Bois, a suburb of high-rise social housing.
Sarkozy, whose law and order policies have been criticized by human rights groups, launched a new offensive against crime this month, ordering specially trained police to tackle 25 tough neighborhoods in cities across France.
Sarkozy, who has clearly stated his ambition to run for president in 2007, said police mobile units would patrol districts instead of having police waiting around in coaches while trouble erupted elsewhere.
The tough talking Sarkozy made his name by cutting headline crime figures during his first stint as interior minister from 2002 to 2004.
Copyright 2005 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
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| leewgrant Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Total posts: 6902 Location: Gilmour and Causeyside Sts Gender: Unknown
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| There has been social unrest lately in Germany and France, primarily over efforts to roll back expensive social programs - but we don't get much coverage about it here. |
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freedominoes
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| There were some racial unrest in England recently between Pakistanis and Blacks in England recently over a rumour of a gang rape of a Jamican girl. I guess the media doesn't find it of interest because it doesn't jive with it's multicultural utopia outlook and neo-nazis weren't involved like Ohio. |
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Angleland
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Looks like another Mark Steyn prediction coming true-except that the MSM here is still trying to pretend all is peace, love and multicultural harmony.
I am not too optimistic about the future of ol TO.
BTW, I am not opposed to immigration. I am opposed to state sponsored multiculturalism. Mix it with social housing and create hell on earth.
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| leewgrant wrote: | | There has been social unrest lately in Germany and France, primarily over efforts to roll back expensive social programs - but we don't get much coverage about it here. |
Too few people left to hold up the tax burden that furnishes all those programs. Do they even realize how those social programs happen? That tax-payers fund those programs and when tax-payers are outnumbered by the welfare recipients, you've got problems. I guess they'll expect the US to save their behinds 
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| Smaug Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Total posts: 7396 Location: Edmonton Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 10/ 29/ 05 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Frances multiculturalism is an example to the world. |
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Kate Shaw
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The French are always rioting about something. I go over every year and they're always at each other.
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Hey, rioting is the basic foundation of the French Republic. They called it a Revolution, of course. Sounds more grandiose. But it was just one big riot. A chance to loot and break stuff that doesn't belong to you.
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| Eric Blair Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Total posts: 434 Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 10/ 29/ 05 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | On Thursday night, youths set cars and garbage cans ablaze and attacked shops and a fire station. Officials said 23 vehicles, including some post office delivery trucks, were set ablaze and destroyed in the protests.
A silent march in honor of the two dead teenagers was taking place on Saturday morning in Clichy-Sous-Bois, a suburb of high-rise social housing.
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= North African Muslims.
One would hope this is not a preview of Canada's current immigration policies. |
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| leewgrant Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Total posts: 6902 Location: Gilmour and Causeyside Sts Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 10/ 30/ 05 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| texasredtop wrote: | | leewgrant wrote: | | There has been social unrest lately in Germany and France, primarily over efforts to roll back expensive social programs - but we don't get much coverage about it here. |
Too few people left to hold up the tax burden that furnishes all those programs. Do they even realize how those social programs happen? That tax-payers fund those programs and when tax-payers are outnumbered by the welfare recipients, you've got problems. I guess they'll expect the US to save their behinds |
Perhaps France will arrange to be attacked by Luxembourg and then ask the US to come to their aid followed by a new Marshall Plan --- perhaps the Condi Plan.  |
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Muddy
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Why do we not learn that public houseing causes these problems. People create gettoes when ever they are built in the world. When people from all over the world actually mix there is no problem. People are just people. Government created gettoes promote poverty,ethnic gangs and racism where none existed before..
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| bulldog905 Member
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| Quote: | Why do we not learn that public houseing causes these problems. People create gettoes when ever they are built in the world. When people from all over the world actually mix there is no problem. People are just people. Government created gettoes promote poverty,ethnic gangs and racism where none existed before..
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If the "problems" mean rioting, I think this goes beyond public housing.
The United Kingdom and France had HUGE public housing projects starting in the 1930's.
It was not until demographics changed that the rioting started.
The Western world is importing people who totally despise everything about it, except for the economic opportunity it gives them.
When you try to build a national identity or conciousness solely on economics, you are going to reap the whirlwind. |
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Muddy
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Your quite right of course but the poor who occupied the public houseing before the sixtys could not turn to crime with the excuse of racism then. There were not apologists then for bad behavior and crime just because you were poor. Even the poor were expected to conduct themselves with civility and manners.
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| bulldog905 Member
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| Muddy wrote: | | Your quite right of course but the poor who occupied the public houseing before the sixtys could not turn to crime with the excuse of racism then. There were not apologists then for bad behavior and crime just because you were poor. Even the poor were expected to conduct themselves with civility and manners. |
Yes, I agree.
I think the real "racists" are the liberals and socialists who excuse bad behavior and criminality, on the basis of colour or race.
In the old days of Regent Park(A large public housing development in Toronto), the idea was to assist people temporarily and help them move up on the economic ladder. Many of the residents of Regent Park of the 40's and 50's, are productive tax paying citizens today.(Many in Scarborough)
Today these housing projects seem to perpetuate poverty, and to reward client groups. Bob Rae changed Public Housing in Ontario from a waiting list placement, to "refugees" first.
There are many instances where so-called "impoverished" refugees, especially from Somalia, obtain a subsidized housing spot, and then sub-rent them at a profit on the sly.
Public housing does nothing to solve the "homelessness" problem, because it is now a freebie for the lazy and corrupt sort of immigrant, that finds Canada so appealing.
You could build all the units you want, and they would be filled by the "refugees".
New immigrants, refugees or not, of whatever colour or nationality, should be barred from receiving any kind of social assistance for their first 10 years in Canada.(I include OHIP, OAS and CPP with that).
This would be the only restriction that would guarantee a better class of immigrant.
The immigrants this policy disuades from coming to Canada, are not the one's this country needs. |
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JBG
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| Posted: 10/ 30/ 05 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Muddy wrote: | | Why do we not learn that public houseing causes these problems. People create gettoes when ever they are built in the world. When people from all over the world actually mix there is no problem. People are just people. Government created gettoes promote poverty,ethnic gangs and racism where none existed before.. |
What the article does not make clear is if these rioters are Muslims.
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