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| Do you support Western separation? |
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43% |
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22% |
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5% |
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| If the Liberals win the next election |
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GratianGasparri
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 Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 7:05 pm Post subject: Do you support Western separation? |
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Please take North-Western Ontario too!
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 Heartofsong83Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Total posts: 13384 Location: Up in the woods... Age: 26 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Do you support Western separation? |
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| GratianGasparri wrote: | | Please take North-Western Ontario too! |
That means taking Ontario right up to Lake Simcoe...since you have to throw the Conservative areas in... |
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Lionhead
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Total posts: 4434 Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Again, what kind of separation are we talking about here? Three of the western provinces joining together? Going it on their own? What?
As an Alberta sympathizer born, raised and still residing in Ontario, I voted 'yes'. |
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skeena484
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Total posts: 2534 Location: Republic of Alberta Age: 67 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| We'll accept all of Ontario into the new republic. When we have the freedom to clean up this mess there will be no liberals allowed. The republic of Canada has a nice ring to it, but first the liberals must be driven from this land. Get to work Ontario. Your future will soon be in your own hands. Ottawa may end up on the wrong side of the river though. |
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| Heartofsong83 Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Total posts: 13384 Location: Up in the woods... Age: 26 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| skeena484 wrote: | | We'll accept all of Ontario into the new republic. When we have the freedom to clean up this mess there will be no liberals allowed. The republic of Canada has a nice ring to it, but first the liberals must be driven from this land. Get to work Ontario. Your future will soon be in your own hands. Ottawa may end up on the wrong side of the river though. |
That pares "Ontario" down to the Grand Duchy of Toronto...a blob of land less than 10,000 square kilometres and mostly urban... |
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Whiggamore
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Total posts: 1339 Location: Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Age: 22 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| If the Liberals win the West is going to seperate? Just like all the Democrats were going to come to Canada when the Republicans won right? |
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skeena484
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Total posts: 2534 Location: Republic of Alberta Age: 67 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Whiggamore wrote: | | If the Liberals win the West is going to seperate? Just like all the Democrats were going to come to Canada when the Republicans won right? |
What the hell do Democrats and Republicans have to do with the future of Canada? |
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| Enfield Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Total posts: 350 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| skeena484 wrote: | | Whiggamore wrote: | | If the Liberals win the West is going to seperate? Just like all the Democrats were going to come to Canada when the Republicans won right? |
What the hell do Democrats and Republicans have to do with the future of Canada? |
what he is saying is that, just like them, western seperatism is not going to become something that has a chance of destroying the unity of the country.
You really must remember that all you have to do is look at the numbers of Albertan's that vote and you will realize that a vast majority of Alberta is not politically active and don't really care WHO is in power. |
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| Smaug Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Total posts: 7396 Location: Edmonton Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If the Liberals win the West is going to seperate? Just like all the Democrats were going to come to Canada when the Republicans won right? |
Do you really think that Alberta and B.C. are going to stick around if Quebec leaves confederation? If Quebec goes, the greater Toronto area will be able to decide who forms government every time, and they will be voting themselves all kinds of goodies from the treasuries of the west you can be sure .... esepecially after Ontario manufacturing starts taking the hits comming to that sector of the economy.
Even if Quebec stays within confederation at its current nominal level continued Liberal minorities will start plundering the strength of the western economy in order to pay for the spending that will give them "survivable" governments.
Canada is near the point of collapsing as governable socialist entity. The Liberals simply cannot maintain their socialist programs without resorting to outright piracy of the west, and yet they are unwilling to move to the right with their policies. ...... if these criminals are allowed to continue their kleptocracy, Canada will die. |
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| Mangioninc Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Total posts: 1008 Gender: Male
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I did a study the other day which said something along the lines of minus Quebec, using the results of the last election, the Tories would be 19 seats short of a majority. (Lib, 112, CPC 96, NDP 19, 1 ind)
Canada without Quebec would sure make it easier for the CPC to win power. |
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skeena484
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Total posts: 2534 Location: Republic of Alberta Age: 67 Gender: Male
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If you think that the threat of separation in Alberta is not to be taken seriously, you are sadly mistaken. Albertans have been through this before. I was at a meeting of The Western Canada Concept Party at the Jubilee Auditorium during the turmoil and animosity caused by Trudeau and his national energy program. Carle Nichole, a prominent and very respected Calgary oil man was scheduled to speak that night. The members of the party had paid to rent the auditorium and the meeting was for members only.
As Mr. Nichole was being introduced , three idiots entered the main auditorium carrying a huge Canadian flag as they sang Oh Canada.. Three rather large security guys took these two party crashers physically out of the theater area of the auditorium to the lobby. I will never forget the scene as long as I live.
My wife was with me and she said “I want to get out of here” When I exited the theater area of the auditorium with my wife the first thing we saw was three security guards kicking the guys who had presented the flag of Canada and mocked our meeting. They were being beaten and kicked as they lay on the floor. There was blood on the marble tile of the Jubilee Auditorium in Calgary that night and there was blood on that flag. Do not take Alberta for granted was the message that night and I’ll never forget it. |
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| Phi Joined: 31 May 2004 Total posts: 1356
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| skeena484 wrote: | | Ottawa may end up on the wrong side of the river though. |
 Eastern Ontario elected the first two Alliance members in Ontario in 2000.
Scott Reid and Cheryl Gallant
Don't you dare cut out Ottawa!   
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| Heartofsong83 Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Total posts: 13384 Location: Up in the woods... Age: 26 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Phi wrote: | | skeena484 wrote: | | Ottawa may end up on the wrong side of the river though. |
Eastern Ontario elected the first two Alliance members in Ontario in 2000.
Scott Reid and Cheryl Gallant
Don't you dare cut out Ottawa! |
Both are true conservatives...so is Gordon Brown, Pierre Poilievre, Guy Lauzon and Gordon O'Connor (although more socially moderate, he is a hardline libertarian and military wizard)...all represent Ottawa-area ridings.
It is the Toronto area that is the problem. Without that, and with some better strategy, we'd have all but some of the downtown areas (the NDP core areas)...the Fiberals would be toast!
I see a strategy that involves Northern Ontario as well...make sure we get up there, get the issues right (such as playing the gun card and social cards plus a northern infrastructure strategy) and expose the pitiful record that the Fiberals have up there - losing 10-20% of the population! That is one area we should not forget, after all that connects the dots between the West and rural southern/eastern Ontario...it would be a moral boost to have a sea of blue in between as well! (Also, most of the counties bordering Northern Ontario in the US are Republican, and they have similar traits) |
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DrJim
Location: between Quebec City and Montreal, Canada Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 07/ 05 9:01 pm Post subject: No |
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As someone who's been through the 1995 referendum (even if I was young) for Quebec separation, as someone who's been through the 1994-2003 separatist provincial regime (worst in the whole Quebec history) and as someone who has been into quite a lot of heated debates with university commies about separation, I am totally against any sort of separatism, either in Quebec or elsewhere.
Separatism is bad mainly on two points. First, there is a personal side to the story. If separatism gets more and more popular in Alberta, expect famillies to be divided under this issue and friendships threatened. Get ready for heated debates, insults, and even fistfights. Believe me, if Quebec separates, all hell will break loose in the province. We'll have riots and public disorder. I'll burn my Quebec flags in the middle of the street.
The other point is the economical side. Threats of separation create incertitude. I do not think it is good for investment or jobs. You guys in Alberta have a good economy. Why risk to ruin it ?
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RedDog
Location: High Plains Gender: Male
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Dr. Jim. Excellent comments as always and thanks.
We have a great economy IN SPITE of the continued extortion fortunately. Twice in one week I heard support for a free Quebec from two different clients, neither of whom have ever set foot in the place and who otherwise wouldn't give a darn except that they now see that as a catalyst to a re-worked nation and path to Alberta's future.
I'm hard pressed to argue with them actually.
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