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Sun, July 18, 2004
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Calgary/Paul_Jackson/2004/07/18/pf-547011.html
Grits eye plunder
By Paul Jackson
Federal Liberals do not like people who have long memories.
Particularly Albertans with long memories.
Provincial Liberals aren't too keen on that particular attribute, either, for it reminds Alberta voters why they should cross the street when they see a local Grit approaching them.
Premier Ralph Klein -- the man who sabotaged Conservative leader Stephen Harper's federal election campaign, and may very, very quickly come to regret that -- told us last week that come March 31 next year, Alberta will be completely debt free.
The only province in the once great Dominion of Canada not to be in hock to the gnomes of Zurich.
Well, that rosy scenario may happen, or it may not, because it depends basically on oil prices staying at $40 a barrel or so into next year. They likely will stay at that level, but this is no Guaranteed Investment Certificate.
Yet what will happen when Alberta is debt free?
What will happen if oil prices stay high for years to come and cash keeps pouring into Alberta's coffers?
Based on past nightmares, the feds will make a grab for our money.
A huge, selfish grab.
And they'll have the muscle to take it.
Ah, if only Harper was sitting in the PM's chair right now, rather than the Joe Clark-anointed Paul Martin.
But it's too late for sobbing about that betrayal, even though we may well be sobbing a whole flood of tears in the future, enough tears perhaps to float Mr. Shipping Tycoon's personal armada of ships flying foreign flags.
That will certainly be ironic when, by a twist of the law, the Martin family shipping company, Canada Steamship Lines, managed to avoid paying tens of millions of dollars in Canadian taxes (While collecting tens of millions of dollars in Canadian tax subsidies), but then Martin's Liberals head to Alberta to swipe our money to squander on Liberal programs.
On federal budget day back in 1974, just after that decade's oil boom had started to gather steam, I was sitting in the Parliamentary Press Gallery when Finance Minister John Turner -- himself pretty well-heeled, just like the current PM -- unveiled legislation to make provincial oil royalties non-deductible for federal taxation purposes.
By that sleight of hand -- which stunned both Premier Peter Lougheed's government and the oilpatch -- Turner, to loud cheers from Liberal and New Democrat benches -- siphoned off hundreds of millions of dollars from Alberta's provincial income and seriously undermined the oil industry.
In doing so, not only had Pierre Trudeau's Liberals pillaged our money, but they had also undermined the province's plans for expanding its economic foundation.
They had torpedoed us both economically and politically.
Less than a decade later, after Trudeau's Liberals had been re-elected to power after the Joe Clark hiatus -- the Grits pulled a similar stunt with the National Energy Program (NEP).
Energy/Finance Minister Marc Lalonde's gambit was intended to pull in hundreds of millions more dollars from Alberta's energy sector -- and also stall our province's economic growth.
The gambit worked.
Well, it worked in one way, and backfired in another.
Between Turner's budget and Lalonde's NEP, it has been assessed that Ottawa soaked Alberta for some $110 billion in little more than a decade.
What Lalonde didn't realize was there was a harrowing faultline in the NEP.
It took so much money out of Alberta in such a short time it collapsed the province's entire economy. With that collapse came a recession that spread across the entire nation.
The federal Liberals had made one greedy move too many.
But if you don't think Martin and his cohorts -- or should I say shipmates and pirates -- will not be contemplating the plunder of our province's fiscal resources again after the debt is paid off, then you are very, very naive.
They've done it twice -- not caring one whit the harm it did to Alberta's men, women and children -- and they'll be quite prepared to try for a hat trick.
Environmental Minister David Anderson already wants to see federal taxes on gasoline hiked so the average price will hit $1.40 a litre. That's just a beginning.
This bunch of swashbucklers is heartless.
This won't simply be a case of lock up your daughters.
You'll have to lock up every single chattel you have.
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| B. Max Location: Alberta Canada Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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The way to shut these buggers down is cut them off at the wallet. The way to do that is vote separatist.
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Wlyonmackenzie
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Well if you can't do that you can arrange for a tax revolt....aparently that is a lot easier to acheive than responsive government in Canada and Alberta.
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| B. Max Location: Alberta Canada Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Wlyonmackenzie wrote: | | Well if you can't do that you can arrange for a tax revolt....aparently that is a lot easier to acheive than responsive government in Canada and Alberta. |
If guys like rutherford and jackson would come to their senses and forget about what can't be changed, and concentrate on that which can be changed, it would be a snap.
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khori_wan_kenobi
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Well if you can't do that you can arrange for a tax revolt....aparently that is a lot easier to acheive than responsive government in Canada and Alberta. |
But how would you do this?
Most people have income tax automatically taken off their pay.
Furthermore, if the explosion of the underground economy isn't taken by the Liberals as a tax revolt, I don't know what would be.
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Wlyonmackenzie
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that's whay a tax revolt is perfect....you don't need ;eaders....just do it. Defer or with hold legally....the parasite can't survive when the blood supply had been cut off.
Don't wait for leaders....revolutions are won by tha individual actions of a million individual patriots in passive, principled non compliance...se Clair Wolfe...how to monkey wrench the leviathan.
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Red Tory
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Wlyonmackenzie wrote: | that's whay a tax revolt is perfect....you don't need ;eaders....just do it. Defer or with hold legally....the parasite can't survive when the blood supply had been cut off.
Don't wait for leaders....revolutions are won by tha individual actions of a million individual patriots in passive, principled non compliance...se Clair Wolfe...how to monkey wrench the leviathan. |
Who's to say this form of protest would catch on by the masses? One scenario could be just hundreds of people, mybe even thousands of people being charged with tax evasion. Then what? Political support would be needed for validity's sake.
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ICONOCLAST
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Talk is cheap and threats of separation premature. What the RoC will be watching in Alberta is whether Ralph Klein will be personally re-elected after intentionally sabotaging Stephen Harper and the Conservative tide in Ontario.
I suspect that Klein sold out to Martin and the Liberals because he felt that Alberta would get the best deal from a Liberal government. He bet that Harper could not win a majority 155 seat majority and he gave Martin the ammunition he needed to turn the tide in Ontario. Martin owes Klein big time, and that's why he came to the Calgary Stampede to show solidarity with Klein.
What I would like to see is that all of Ralph's constituents in Calgary-Elbow are fully made aware that Klein destroyed their votes for the federal Conservatives and kept Alberta under the thumb of the Liberals in Ottawa. If Klein personally was not re-elected in the next provincial election because of his sellout to Martin, that would be appropriate revenge for all Albertans who voted Conservative.
(I was not successful in determining how Calgary-Elbow voted in the federal election, and perhaps somebody from Alberta could help and indicate if a defeat for Ralph personally is a possibility.) |
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Capitalist`Cohesion
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Every Calgary riding voted Conservative. Hell every riding in Alberta except a couple in Edmonton voted Conservative. Every riding between Kelowna and Winnipeg, except one in Regina and two in Edmonton voted Conservative.
Klein betrayed us precious, now we must wring his flithy little neck.
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| B. Max Location: Alberta Canada Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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A vote for klien at election time is a vote for the federal liberals.
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Mr. Valentine
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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How widespread are these anti-Klein feelings in Alberta?
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| B. Max Location: Alberta Canada Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Valentine wrote: | | How widespread are these anti-Klein feelings in Alberta? |
It's hard to say exactly but it has been growing for a long time, and klien has been forced into taking them seriously. The dog and pony show that traveled around the province earlier this year was an attempt to look like he was doing something. Separatist rumblings have even been popping up inside the PC party. The command and control of the PC party has now trotted out the firewall idea in an attempt to stem the growing tide that wants action, and an end to the song and dance.
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lethbridge_east
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I think disatisfaction has risen since the election. I would say the election has been really the catalyst. Will that translate to another party winning, I dont think so. But I do think his majority could be seriously hurt.
In fact I would be not surprised at all to see about 30 opposition members. Possibly split amongst the AA, Liberals NDP and SPA.
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khori_wan_kenobi
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| Posted: 07/ 18/ 04 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Wlyonmackenzie,
In what ways would we withhold taxes? If you're self-employed you can do it but as an employee your income taxes are automatically deducted.
One thing I've taken to is purchasing stuff on eBay. Very rarely are sales taxes charged so not only do I get deals on the item but I also save another 15% by avoiding the sales tax.
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King Rat
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| ICONOCLAST wrote: | Talk is cheap and threats of separation premature. What the RoC will be watching in Alberta is whether Ralph Klein will be personally re-elected after intentionally sabotaging Stephen Harper and the Conservative tide in Ontario.
I suspect that Klein sold out to Martin and the Liberals because he felt that Alberta would get the best deal from a Liberal government. He bet that Harper could not win a majority 155 seat majority and he gave Martin the ammunition he needed to turn the tide in Ontario. Martin owes Klein big time, and that's why he came to the Calgary Stampede to show solidarity with Klein.
What I would like to see is that all of Ralph's constituents in Calgary-Elbow are fully made aware that Klein destroyed their votes for the federal Conservatives and kept Alberta under the thumb of the Liberals in Ottawa. If Klein personally was not re-elected in the next provincial election because of his sellout to Martin, that would be appropriate revenge for all Albertans who voted Conservative.
(I was not successful in determining how Calgary-Elbow voted in the federal election, and perhaps somebody from Alberta could help and indicate if a defeat for Ralph personally is a possibility.) |
Calgary Elbow falls within Calgary Southwest and, I think, Calgary Southcentre. Klein could lose 1/2 of the votes that he recieved in the last election, and still win.
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