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| Why did Harper Pay Arar $10.5M (net) ? |
| Arar is innocent & $10M was fair compensation |
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| Lawsuit would have compromised Canadian national security |
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| Lawsuit would have been a PR disaster in international relations |
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| There were illegal gov't or RCMP actions |
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| $10M is "peace money" to keep Muslims from committing terrorism in Canada |
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fourhorses
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 Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Faramir wrote: |
But no one has explained why Harper had to give Arar a dime? Who was Arar suing? The RCMP? Let the RCMP decide what to do. |
First of all, Canada would lose the court case.
You can bet that any evidence the US may have would not be forthcoming.
The O'Connor Inquiry would act as a basis with over 1,000 pages of RCMP documents.
Zaccardelli's "incorrect" evidence as it was phrased would be brought up, as well as his resultant resignation.
Without supportive evidence from the US to contradict the O'Connor findings, a court case would do irreparable harm to the RCMP and CSIS. This would blow out into a political tangle where MSM and lefty would have a field day.
It would also do irreparable damage to Canada-US relations. Another field day for the anti-US crowd, the anti-war crowd, the anti-Afghanistan crowd, the anti anti-terrorism crowd and so on. The conservative policies that are slowly being introduced would be set back years, if not decades.
You never let a police force run government policy.
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Fabulous Fred
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, Canada would lose the court case.
...and you know this how???
Are you psychic, do you have access to a divine oracle?
Perhaps we can clear the litigation backlog that is clogging our courts by appointing you to cast judgment and save us all a lot of time? |
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fourhorses
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Fabulous Fred wrote: |
...and you know this how???
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You have a 1,000 pages already hammered.
An earlier court (inquiry) already found the government guilty.
Your star witness, the USA, refused and still refusess to testify.
The alleged perpetrator, Syria, will refuse to testify.
Your search for documents under Access to Information requests during the liberal government and their actions on this file returned nil results. No info available as to the liberal handling of this. In other words, this was deep sixed.
Am I psychic ? No.
The balance of probabilities certainly are not in your favour. |
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Fabulous Fred
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll take my chances in court. It is called presumption of innocence. I believe you were touting that a while ago??? |
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fourhorses
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Fabulous Fred wrote: | | I'll take my chances in court. It is called presumption of innocence. I believe you were touting that a while ago??? |
I was and I do.
When your chances are melting faster than a snowball in hell ..... |
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Fabulous Fred
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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That is merely your opinion and carries no weight in court. PROOF is the burden in court. Arar will be required to PROVE he was tortured, Prove That the RCMP deliberately engaged in wrong doing and PROVE that the Canadian tax payers owe him money.
That is quite an uphill battle. |
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 hoarydragon
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Total posts: 4839 Location: Windsor Age: 55 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Like all of you I loath the reward . Unlike some of you ,I believe Harper and the CPC knew that a reward and an apology were coming even when at first the government refused to buckle under opposition pressure to act .
The courts of Canada are nothing but platforms for political activist judges plus the loony leftist media and degenerate opposition parties would of handed him a much larger sum. |
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Fabulous Fred
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Harper is betraying those of us who voted for common sense and good government. He has become a small "L" liebral and is moving towards a Large "L".
Colour me jaded. |
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hoarydragon
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Total posts: 4839 Location: Windsor Age: 55 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Fabulous Fred wrote: | Harper is betraying those of us who voted for common sense and good government. He has become a small "L" liebral and is moving towards a Large "L".
Colour me jaded. |
Harper's moves and decisions may not appeal to all but then again look at who really left the CPC holding the bag and who is stirring up the shike.
Then I must point out we are a minority government. |
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| politics101 Joined: 11 Sep 2006 Total posts: 2272 Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| TeamNeedles wrote: | I voted for the national security option.
But, I do think Arar deserved something... it's only now that his life is getting back on track.
One could argue he is the most investigated figure in the war on terror thus far, for any country, and certainly for Canada, yet nothing has been found as far as any wrong doings.
These people (in most cases) are usually not that good at covering their tracks. |
 I agree with you wholeheartedly. |
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fourhorses
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Fabulous Fred wrote: |
Colour me jaded.
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And just what would you win in court Fred ?
You would establish that he lacks sufficient proof (beyond a shadow of a doubt), that he was tortured.
What else would you prove ?
That America had the "goods" on this guy, but they refuse to disclose what those "goods" are. You are going to subphoena America as your witness ?
Your RCMP lacks credibility in this case. You are going to place a descredited witness on the stand ?
And you are going to demand to see the files from the liberal government on this issue. The ones that were purged long before CPC took office ? The ones that come back as "nil".
With these empty files, a descredited witness, and your star not showing, you are going to obtain a ruling that Canada was right in assisting the deportation of this guy holding a Canadian passport to Syria.
It will only cost you about 20, or 30 or 40 million.
It will portray the conservatives as vindictive.
It will portray the conservative movement as one who will go to any lengths to circumvent fair play and justice to get their own way.
It will portray the conservative movement as a puppet of a Bush administration.
and once you do all that;
all you have really done is exhonerated Chretien, Graham, the Liberal government and demonstrated to the Canadian public that their accusations against conservatives were correct.
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| Ipberg2 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| There's truth to all the options including the first one (Arar is innocent until proven guilty). My vote is for "Lawsuit would have compromised Canadian national security" whether or not it would have eventually exonerated RCMP actions. |
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Faramir
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Total posts: 17568 Location: Victoria, House of War Age: 39 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| fourhorses wrote: | | Faramir wrote: |
But no one has explained why Harper had to give Arar a dime? Who was Arar suing? The RCMP? Let the RCMP decide what to do. |
First of all, Canada would lose the court case.
You can bet that any evidence the US may have would not be forthcoming.
The O'Connor Inquiry would act as a basis with over 1,000 pages of RCMP documents.
Zaccardelli's "incorrect" evidence as it was phrased would be brought up, as well as his resultant resignation.
Without supportive evidence from the US to contradict the O'Connor findings, a court case would do irreparable harm to the RCMP and CSIS. This would blow out into a political tangle where MSM and lefty would have a field day.
It would also do irreparable damage to Canada-US relations. Another field day for the anti-US crowd, the anti-war crowd, the anti-Afghanistan crowd, the anti anti-terrorism crowd and so on. The conservative policies that are slowly being introduced would be set back years, if not decades.
You never let a police force run government policy.
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I guess you are right that the US would not be forthcoming.
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Faramir
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Total posts: 17568 Location: Victoria, House of War Age: 39 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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There is only one place this and all Syrians belong ... deep in a whole in my backyward. 
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fourhorses
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| Posted: 01/ 27/ 07 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Faramir wrote: | | There is only one place this and all Syrians belong ... deep in a whole in my backyward. |
Are you going to have separate graves for the Christian Syrians ? |
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