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 Angleland
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The general concept involved here although not the specific case were discussed in HOC on sept 28. I did not catch al of it but some Liberal from Peterboro was stating the conditions undr which property could be seized. None of the conditions appear to have been met that were mentioned.
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Faith Hope and Love
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| Posted: 09/ 29/ 05 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| littleharbour wrote: | | ... The entire Canadian constitution needs to be torn apart and rewritten by patriots - not parasites. |
Agreed...and ratified by We The People, not merely imposed upon us. |
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Wlyonmackenzie
Joined: 30 Oct 2002 Total posts: 14830 Location: Knee deep in Progressivist BS Gender: Male
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| Posted: 10/ 02/ 05 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Faith Hope and Love"] | WestViking wrote: | Please, please let us not lose sight of the federal (Liberal) role in this travesty of justice.
We are dealing with federal legislation here, not provincial legislation. The provincial AG's are charged with enforcing federal law.
As far as I know, Mr. Montague has not been convicted of any crime to date. It is not possible to seize property involved in a crime without first proving that a crime has been committed. |
Re: first bolded statement in above quote:
The prominence of the word 'civil' would suggest the action that has been initiated to sieze Bruce Montague's property is not based on federal legislation.
In answer to your question on constitutional jurisdiction F,H&L; What we are seeing is essentially a tag team gooning of a citizen by 2 levels of government working in collusion against a single citizen. The object is to criminalize an upstanding individual before he can use the charter to defend himself. To terrorize and deplete him of revenues and resources to fight them in court on a charter challenge….to beat him down before he gets his day in court and the protection of the charter. This is a very important case and the feds know it and they are pulling out all the stops and abandoning all ethics and morality in fighting this citizen’s plea to the court.
The Feds are trying to prosecute Bruce under the federal firearms act with dozens of fraudulent criminal breeches of this unconstitutional act…to intimidate ,they used the provincial police/swat teams to goon him and his family in malicious search seizure and suspending Habeas corpus during his interment. They further harass him through customs, fed tax acts and federal licensing and import statutes in running his business (he was a gun smith). Now the Federal (:liberal) AG Cotler himself, ( a federal cabinet minister of justice…the 2nd highest bureaucrat in the land) has put pressure on the Ontario provincial AG to harass and terrorize the Montagues with provincial licensing ( his shop license are suspended) and property dispensation ( the act to remove his home ).
The actions and precedents in this case are staggering. It is openly a David against Goliath case….a case of statist collusion between 2 levels of government to terrorize a citizen engaged in the lawful right to challenge the constitutional validity of a law which was used to destroy him. It even goes down to feds pulling strings to keep Bruce out of the GTA papers and media…he is very articulate and accurate on this subject and he comes across as the sincere and dedicated man he is. He is a citizen who has been wronged by the state and its bad laws and he is using the charter to fight back….he has been denied MSM exposure of his case so he speaks directly to groups of citizens at functions and he is well received and he gains legal funding from this…they hate it!!! In the mind of you average Liberal bureaucrat the charter is reserved only for the special interest friends of the government, Government friends with charter challenges get full federal funding and media promotion when their “cause” pulls the courts in the direction the government wants to go anyway….and that is primarily in the direction of expanding the state and restricting individual rights and freedoms with more and more regulation. ( please analyze the gay storm front laws…these are less about gay freedom than they are about restricting free speech and criminalizing dissent)
Do not think that Bruce Montague is a crazed loner, angry middle aged white male on a hate-the-“gummint” jag…he is a principled average Canadian and a good father, husband and solid member of his community…he is YOU….he is all of us…he is mainstream Canada….and he is being politically attacked because he has challenged the government when it is wrong. If they can do it to him they can and will do this to you.
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Wlyonmackenzie
Joined: 30 Oct 2002 Total posts: 14830 Location: Knee deep in Progressivist BS Gender: Male
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| carfix2000ca wrote: | Does the NRA know about this?
Maybe there would be a little financial help offered.....
And why isn't this along with Stephen Boissons case all over the news or at least the papers |
The NRA's constitution forbids them from interfering in the affairs of other nations.
Secondly, they have their hands full with the injunction they got to stop Bush from running military house to house confiscations of legal civilian firearms in Louisiana.
Bush is no friend of the second amendment and loves the police state as much as Klinton did.
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Roy Wilson
Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Total posts: 27708 Location: Peterborough Age: 61 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 10/ 02/ 05 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Angleland wrote: | | The general concept involved here although not the specific case were discussed in HOC on sept 28. I did not catch al of it but some Liberal from Peterboro was stating the conditions undr which property could be seized. None of the conditions appear to have been met that were mentioned. |
That would be that little pissmire Leal a real freaking piece of work. A factory worker turned politician. I refer to him as comrade Adams.
Adams wouldnt know a breach from the muzzle. A typical lieberal.
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| Madrod Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Total posts: 553 Location: Shuswap Lake B.C. Gender: Male
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IF Harper and the CPC don't JUMP on this travesty of so-called Canadian justice and hound Martin and his gang relentlessly until the MSM is forced into making this story front page news, I will know then and there that ALL HOPE is lost for truth and honesty in Canadian government.No more deluding myself that somehow things will get better, ever. It will prove that no matter what Party wins the election, they all march to the police state beat. I will now send these same sentiments to my M.P.
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pwrdwn
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Looks like this one has and may stay "below the radar". Someone in high places rolled the dice and figured the timing was right. No mere coincidence balancing off this outrage against other issues of the day. Many in southern Ontario will just see a minor blip about some "gun nut" up north that broke "the rules".
I'll do what I can with meager resources at hand - but its going to take a lot more than private donations from gun owners or patriots to turn this around. The Supreme Court is stacked and packs of thieves are running wild in Quebec, so any form of justice is out of the question. And I can't see them playing this gambit without a sure win in mind.
Hyperbole notwithstanding, this is indeed a crucial moment in Canadian history. Don't kid yourself - anyone who fails to follow the party line will be noticed and noted in due course. The Feds are playing for keeps.
Keep an eye on: http://www.brucemontague.ca/
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| Posted: 10/ 03/ 05 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Madrod wrote: | | IF Harper and the CPC don't JUMP on this travesty of so-called Canadian justice and hound Martin and his gang relentlessly until the MSM is forced into making this story front page news, I will know then and there that ALL HOPE is lost for truth and honesty in Canadian government.No more deluding myself that somehow things will get better, ever. It will prove that no matter what Party wins the election, they all march to the police state beat. I will now send these same sentiments to my M.P. |
I was thinking the same way. BUT! They are wanting votes and this issue appears to play to the lefties hearts. Sadly Harper and the CPC will likely not push it.
If the published information we read here is essentially accurate and reflects the whole story, even then, our own party will sacrifice the lamb to catch a tattered eagle, all the while bleating about the "greater good" and ...........so much for "principled conservatism".
We can continue to complain about how the libs are at fault in every sense, forgetting that the masses are not necessarily collectively stupid, and also forgetting the adage......"we have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us!"
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