View topic - Cadman can kiss my ass... :: Free Dominion - Principled Conservative - Party and Canadian Politics

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 7:01 am Post subject:

While Mr. Cadman's support of the Liberals is disappointing, the CPC leadership can look at itself in their mirror for the blame here. Chuck was done out of the CPC nomination by a very dubious process. The guy who won the thing got creamed in the election. The CPC leadership sat on its colective brain and did bupkis about that nomination farce and thus threw away one electoral district.
Furthermore, I supported Mr. Harper and still do, but did he make any personal approaches to bring Chuck back into the CPC? I hear that Martin personally visted Mr. Cadman. Politics is personal. Martin is a slimeball but he understands that fact. If Harper visited Chuck, I appolgize to him right now, if not, why not?

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 7:04 am Post subject:

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 7:14 am Post subject:

I like Chuck. I have spent time with him. a straight up guy and calls it as he sees it. I too am disappointed that he may vote for the Libs budget. But he thinks it is the right thing to do for his constituents or he wouldn`t do it. I truely believe you couldn`t buy this guy.
_________________
Dislexics of the world ..........Untie!!
You see ,there is no dog !
Surveys say 10 out of every 2 people are afflicted!

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 7:23 am Post subject:

Things are not always what they seem............it's conceivable that the CPC don't want the government to fall at this time, and that having Mr Cadman support the Liberals on this one issue would achieve that aim whilst maintaining the pretense that they hoped a non-confidence motion would pass.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your
philosophy". Hamlet
_________________
Exit, pursued by a bear.
William Shakespeare, Stage direction in "The Winter's Tale"

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 7:35 am Post subject: Cadman's not our last chance....

It's Stephen Harper. He's the one who MUST convince Cadman to vote with against the Liberals. If he can't do that after all the stuff that's gone down, then he might as well resign.

SL28

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 7:53 am Post subject:

In my letter to Chuck Cadman, I reminded him of a few facts when considering the polls that say the majority in his riding don't want an election:

1. 40% of Canadians didn't bother to vote last election, so if polled, they will say they don't want an election. What they want is irrelevant since they relinquished their stake in the matter

2. any Liberal doesn't want an election - they're afraid of the being punished for corruption, and they want the pork budget passed

3. any NDP doesn't want an election - they want their $4.6 billion government bribe to pass

4. is the role of an independent MP merely to represent the majoirty of the riding's opinion on any given day, especially given the above?

5. The Saturday May 14 Ottawa Citizen reported on a just released Ipsos Reid poll that "half of Canadians now believe the government has lost the confidence of Parliament and should call an "immediate" election."

_________________
Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one's values. Ayn Rand

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 8:48 am Post subject:

I don't know much about Cadman but what I do know, I like. He seems like an honourable, honest guy. I like the fact that he comes to politics through a very non-traditional route, he doesn't fit people's typical perception of what a conservative is and his reasons for entering politics are the kind that come with convictions that nobody on earth, can shake. The loss of a child, especially under the circumstances, would bring a resolve and determination that no Liberal money man could shake. Having said that, I think he is not thinking clearly on this issue. While I agree with the principle of doing as your constituents would have you do, this is not a time to follow, it is a time to LEAD. No doubt, battling illness right now does not help. I can't imagine the level of physical stress and emotional stress he may be under right now. I would like to think though, that if I were in his position, and I wished to know what my constituents thought, I would take the time to inform them of all the issues to consider before responding to a poll question. I think I would make sure that they understood that this is a real turning point in how we do politics in this country. The credibility of our entire political system is at stake right now. I would let them know that my closeness to the political goings on in Ottawa allow me to see something most people, unless they follow politics everyday, are not aware of and I would try to convey to them the seriousness of the situation. Then, I would not ask whether they wish to have an election at this time, I would ask whether there should be an election at this time.

Even then, I have to say in this situation, as others have noted, there are very compelling reasons to do what he thinks is right and then explain his position. Like I said, it is a time for leaders to speak with conviction and do what is right for all of Canada. This is an issue of national consequence, and bigger than the individual constituents in Cadman's or Belinda's riding, for that matter.

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 3:46 pm Post subject:

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 5:08 pm Post subject:

I agree with Nemo2. Now that Belinda has taken all the CPC's secret election strategies over to the Libranos, it's quite likely that the CPC's don't want an election after all, but they have to maintain the illusion that they do want the government to fall.
_________________
The goal of socialism is communism. - Lenin.

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 5:17 pm Post subject:

He COULD always vote for the budget and against the Jack-Paul one night stand, could he not?
_________________
If you hate Canada, vote Liberal
Progressiveness is just a buzz-word for incompetence.
Toronto: "Incompetence isn''t just our motto, it''s our way of life!"

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 5:25 pm Post subject:

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 5:42 pm Post subject:

Craig Oliver is reporting that Cadman has told Harper that he will vote with the government.
_________________
"You secular-progressive pinko" - Unnamed FD Poster.

Posted: 05/ 19/ 05 9:08 pm Post subject:

Well, I was furious when I saw Mr. Cadman stand up in favour of the budget.

But when he came on camera and explained why he voted yes, he was very direct, honest and eloquent.

I like this guy. Too bad he has to sit as an independant and was not offered a "plum position" like the one offered to Belinda by the Lieberals.

I think the Conservatives came at him at the 11th hr but it was too late to strike a deal then.

Mr. Cadman did the right thing and honoured the wishes of his constituents.

Seeing this type of honesty is refreshing at this point in time, when all we seem to get are details of sleazy deals and sleazier politicians i.e. the Gomery report and Belinda Stronach!
_________________
~To you he's a dog. To me, he's an adopted child who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly. I have no problem with any of these things!~

Posted: 05/ 20/ 05 3:19 am Post subject:

	The time now is 09/ 02/ 10 3:37 pm
	Home ∴ Forum ∴ Recent ∴ Register ∴ Profile ∴ Log in to check your private messages ∴ Log in FAQ ∴ Search ∴ Donate ∴ Activist's Toolbox ∴ FD Links ∴ FD Swag [ Login to join chat ] FD Arcade - Click Here-->