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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 4:27 pm    Post subject: John Tory wants to secularize religious schools Reply with quote

Premier rejects Tory's all-faith funding plan

Issue of financing religious schools marks clear difference between Liberals, Conservatives


Aug 21, 2007 04:30 AM

Kerry Gillespie
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OTTAWA–Public schools are a big part of Ontario's success as a multicultural society, and Ontarians don't want schools that segregate children according to their religion, Premier Dalton McGuinty says.

"You don't improve a community's schools, you don't build community when you take half a billion (dollars) out of publicly funded schools to fund private religious schools as the Conservatives are promising to do," McGuinty told a conference of 1,700 municipal delegates.

The Association of Municipalities of Ontario was once reliably Progressive Conservative in its leanings, but McGuinty's comments yesterday received loud applause.

If elected premier on Oct. 10, Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory plans to spend up to $400 million to extend taxpayer funding to all faith-based schools that teach the Ontario curriculum, follow standardized testing and have accredited teachers.

McGuinty opposes this. With an election less than two months away, this is one of the most controversial issues and one of the few, so far, that clearly define a difference between Tory and McGuinty.

Tory said that his policy is a complex issue and one the Liberals are not fairly representing.

His policy would allow the 50,000 children now being taught in unfunded and unregulated faith-based schools to join the public system. Rather than divide children, it would unite them through a common curriculum, he said.

"My policy is about making sure every child ... has the same opportunity," Tory said. A public school education shouldn't depend on whether children are Catholic or of another faith, he added.

Ontario is the only province where taxpayers pay 100 per cent of the costs for students who attend Catholic schools and none of the costs for students attending Islamic, Jewish or other faith-based schools. Other provincial governments either partly fund all faith-based schools that meet their guidelines, or fund none of them.

At a time when the province is more diverse than ever, it's "fundamentally unfair" to fund Catholic schools exclusively, Tory said. Many Ontarians agree, but rather than extending what the Catholics get to all faiths, many would prefer to end public funding of the Catholic system instead.

McGuinty opposes both. He doesn't defend school funding for just one religion as fair, but he says the way schools are funded is rooted in Ontario's history. Progress is "strengthening the system we have inherited," he told reporters.
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: John Tory wants to secularize religious schools Reply with quote

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"it would unite them through a common curriculum", he said.


Unite and rule eh?
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: John Tory wants to secularize religious schools Reply with quote

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"it would unite them through a common curriculum", he said.


Unite and rule eh?


Yup,
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: John Tory wants to secularize religious schools Reply with quote

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"My policy is about making sure every child ... has the same opportunity," Tory said. A public school education shouldn't depend on whether children are Catholic or of another faith, he added.


What if us parents reject your stinkin' alleged opportunities? That's why our kids are in religious schools because we exercise discernment and give a rats ass about the alleged opportunities a secular multicultural anything-goes-type of school has to offer.

Touch the schools and we will seperate the city, province and country.

Raise your funds for all secular education from secular sources. Our tax dollars are funding religious schools.
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't that all we need! Publicly funded madras's in Ontario. Barf
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't that all we need! Publicly funded madras's in Ontario. Barf


I wouldn't worry about the madras's as much as I'd worry about schools wasting tax dollars and churning out unintelligent, undisciplined, lowest common denominator trained classes of more and more unemployable dummies.
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wouldn't worry about the madras's as much as I'd worry about schools wasting tax dollars and churning out unintelligent, undisciplined, lowest common denominator trained classes of more and more unemployable dummies.
Tory's Tory plan will destroy the private system by demanding progressive secular politically corrected education for everyone. It's a typical leftist ploy. Use taxpayer money to buy your way into these schools and force them to teach the useless drivel that one would get in public school.
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McGuinty extolling the success of the public school system? My wife is from the US and not that the US has any virtues, but she doesn't want my children anywhere near public school. If public school is so successful why is homeschooling and private schooling a growing reality in Canada? I agree they are a success at pushing the multi-cult; but forgive me - I thought school was about TEACHING our children something?

Forgive me again, because now I am thoroughly confused by Tory's position. What does he mean by secularizing the school system and uniting them? Does he mean he wants to regulate and fully fund religious schools, but allow them to teach the curriculum from their point of view?
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If all the Parents with Kids in private, religious and home schools suddenly decided to put them all in public school the impact would be huge.

All people with Kids involved in non public schools want is some kind of return on all those school taxes they pay.

Let the Parents use the money for curriculum material or to pay a portion of whatever school they choose to send them to.
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His policy would allow the 50,000 children now being taught in unfunded and unregulated faith-based schools to join the public system. Rather than divide children, it would unite them through a common curriculum, he said.


This is one SCARY man! I would hit the streets campaigning for the Liberals in my riding before I would cast my vote for John Tory! Mad
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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His policy would allow the 50,000 children now being taught in unfunded and unregulated faith-based schools to join the public system. Rather than divide children, it would unite them through a common curriculum, he said.


This is one SCARY man! I would hit the streets campaigning for the Liberals in my riding before I would cast my vote for John Tory! Mad


Precisely.

Tory and his ilk are secular humanist zealots and fanatics.

Faith based institutions, like schools, would be well advised to say "thanks, but no thanks" for the $.

Because, it comes with strings attached.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.
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PostPosted: 08/ 21/ 07 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is one SCARY man! I would hit the streets campaigning for the Liberals in my riding before I would cast my vote for John Tory!
How could any conservative vote for for this bunch and their socialist conservative agenda? It won't be me either.
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I can't believe he has the GALL to want to dictate curriculum for faith-based schools! What is the point of even calling it a faith-based school if they have to teach the same material as secular schools?

Tory is worse than McGuinty!
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I can't believe he has the GALL to want to dictate curriculum for faith-based schools! What is the point of even calling it a faith-based school if they have to teach the same material as secular schools?

Tory is worse than McGuinty!


Free Dominion and other genuine conservative websites should put up a list of genuine conservatives that the PC party is running in November.

Like Randy Hillier, etc.

And should advise genuine conservatives if none of those are running in their ridings, they should either vote FCP, Freedom Party, or stay home.(Or vote Liberal or NDP strategically to defeat the PC liberal).

No votes for Tory's counterfeit conservatives in drag, who are really liberals, please!
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Our public schools in Windsor are being Islamistfied with mullahs and imans inspecting the schools to met Muslim standards.
What ever happened to the 1963 Supreme Court ruling that yanked religion out of schools?
No religious schools what so ever, as it is not what they are not taught but what they are taught that frightens me.
Religion is a personal matter and should remain as such.
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