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 Doug on The Right SideJoined: 13 Feb 2006 Total posts: 355 Location: Lombardy, Ontario Age: 60 Gender: Male
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 Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:14 am Post subject: Lets' Look at HRC's Agenda |
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Its time for scrutiny of the Human Rights Commission. Its time to strip away the secrecy and anonymity of the members of this freekazoid bunch. Who sets the mandate? What memos are floating around that might show the HRC has a discriminatory agenda of its own?
The best defence is a good offence. Apply through the privacy commission to access the complaint. Identies will be "whited" (no racism intended) out...but the actual complaint should be available.
Perhaps a little public exposure on the spurious nature of the complaint and the complicity of the HRC to shut down conservative websites offering FREE discussion is in order.
It wouldn't be a bad thing for people to know the Identities of the people who work for HRC. That would be a real eye opener when their backgrounds are exposed. |
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homeandnativeland
Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Total posts: 4190 Location: Ontario Age: 41 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| bigcitylib wrote: | Personally, I would hate to see FD go down. Although there have been instances of what I would call racism or homophobia on the board, these are occasionally called down by other posters, and in any event it isn't like you can't find a million other websites to visit if you think anything here is offensive.
For me personally, I find FD a useful source of news from the "other side", and I like annoying Conservatives. So I would miss the place. |
I like watching fiberals make idiots of themselves, glad to have you! |
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| Connie wrote: | Nobody knows what the complaint is about yet.
Two different people from the CHRC sat on the phone with me yesterday with the complaint in front of them and refused to tell me what it said.
So now we wait until it comes in the mail. |
After this is over, the CHRC is open to a lot of criticism about how they handled the whole thing. This is one of them. They have the moral and civil obligation to tell you immediately what the charges are if you ask, not stand by like some star chamber baffoons, smirking on the end of the phone, giving you little tidbits of administrative information while withholding the substance of the complaint. It tells you the kind of functionaries and bureaucracy we are dealing with. It's like a bunch of kindergarten kids keeping a secret from a classmate "nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, we know something about you that you don't and you're going to pay alot of money..." 
Freedom in Canada is turning out to be a paper reality when you have to pay for it. Health care is free but free speech is "pay as you go"...at least if you are conservative.
After this whole thing is through, there are many grounds for complaint on just the administrative botchups on this. I hope the CHRC functionaries are reading this, and realize just how much of a banana republic they are running.
Here's something else. Before the Left go all orgasmic about this in their euphoria, let me just say that it is not just Connie and the rest of us conservatives that are going to be feeling the chill. You don't expect us to simply sit around and take this bullkaka and the attacks to our livelihood and financial means to support ourselves. Complaints to the CHRC can go the other way too. It's not hard to lodge a complaint and start the ball rolling.
And while conservatives rally around and pony up money to fight for a brother or sister in the cause, the Left might have a harder time doing that as they usually rely on government to pay their way. It's their philosophy after all.
Either way, everyone - both left and right - are going to think twice from now on on what they post. That is an unfortunate situation as our society then becomes poorer and more frightened. Free speech is the casualty and tyranny becomes the order of the day. And it has not been the Right which has initiated this in this country, but the Left. In fact, if anyone can cite one case in Canada where the Left has been a target of a CHRC complaint, I would sure like to hear it. The Left is the initiator of all these attacks and they will be the cause of a complete gutting of free speech in this country. And everybody knows it.
Rest assured that in the past I have let a lot of "hate speech" go against me, but I won't hesitate to bring forward my own complaint against leftist bloggers and discussion boards who I feel have crossed the line.
There will be retaliation. If it's war the Left wants, it's war they are going to get.
I would rather not engage in this. I have a family to take care of and support. A beautiful wife and four wonderful girls. But I can read the writing on the wall. Freedominion is first. Then other bloggers, LifeSiteNews, Western Standard, and on and on it goes.
There comes a time where we have to draw the line and fight back.
I believe that if we have not approached that line, we are getting very very close.
How so very sad for our country. 
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Two different people from the CHRC sat on the phone with me yesterday with the complaint in front of them and refused to tell me what it said.
Then WHY did they SEND the damn thing in the FIRST place..???
Bureaucrats.....SHEESH....!!! |
First, every level of government is full with people that hold political ideology on the left side of the political spectrum. We are the enemy.
Second, the CHRC legislation is so poorly written. There are no clear rules for regulating the process from beginning to the end. There may be some procedural rules within the department and it is highly recommnended that one hire a lawyer with extensive CHRC complaint experience or they will be wasting money and time.
Third, it appears from what we have been told so far, that the CHRC may be using an intimidation process on FD and its owners. The threat of mother government coming in with the big hand and the possibility of heavy fines and overseeing the operation of the site to the point it cannot operate, is very scary and stressful. (Connie, you should see who has recently completed a credit check on you. They may be seeing if you can be shut down by lack of funds to pay the fine)
Fourth; it would be an interesting bit of information if the complaintant is tied to the ACLU or our equivalent and possible left wing organizations such as unions or an enthic organization.
Fifth, if the complaint is about one post or thread, then the settlement should be a very simple deletion of the thread or post. If the complaint is one of systemic nature, then it is a witch hunt and an attempt to shut down the people's voice. |
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Paycheck
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Depending on the complaint, I will be very interested to see what the CPC's reaction is going to be to it.
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This triangle of truisms, of father, mother and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it. - G. K. Chesterton (The Superstition of Divorce) |
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Adonick
Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Total posts: 2596 Location: St. John's, NL Age: 26 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:31 am Post subject: |
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My sentiments exactly paycheck. This is the place to stop it because I really value this forums existence, and I value the work we all do here, specifically Mark, Connie, and all of our moderators like WV and Styky, J.Billious  et al.
Freedom of speech and opinion has always been my number one issue, and I feel that this is the largest threat to a true political debate in Canada. The MSM is regulated, the newspapers are regulated, and have liberal journalist fascisti running them - the internet is the only place that we can come together as free citizens and talk and inform one another about the world around us without and spin from editors, bureaucrats, politicians, etc.
This is the rawest and most fundamental building block of democracy, and they would have it stifled so that the liberal/collectivist hegemony of media continues unabated.
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| pcbob Joined: 20 Jul 2007 Total posts: 2 Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| canada really doe not have free speech. if you talk about how wonderful White people are for building Canada, that is what the Marxist government calls a hate crime because the government considers all White people to be bad |
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Paycheck
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Back in 2004, I warned about the hate crimes thing....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRowptcTKFY
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Angleland
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Paycheck wrote: | | Depending on the complaint, I will be very interested to see what the CPC's reaction is going to be to it. |
PM Harper used to be against HR Commissions. What say he now?
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| CUPE_Reformer Location: Nova Scotia Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Paycheck wrote: | | In fact, if anyone can cite one case in Canada where the Left has been a target of a CHRC complaint, I would sure like to hear it. |
Paycheck:
Website promotes hate, B'nai Brith member says
http://www.enmasse.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8227
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virgey
Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Total posts: 4697 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 63 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| In my opinion, I see the Canadian Human Rights Commission as a hand of oppression. As a way to silence any acts or voices of opposing views that do not match what is politically correct. |
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Angleland
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Maybe time to contact your CPC MP (if you have one). They might be willing to respond to voters in their own ridings even if they ignore those who live elsewhere.
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Theresa
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Total posts: 6164 Location: Alberta Gender: Female
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Connie wrote:
| Quote: | Nobody knows what the complaint is about yet.
Two different people from the CHRC sat on the phone with me yesterday with the complaint in front of them and refused to tell me what it said.
So now we wait until it comes in the mail. |
I find this to be so appalling that I am at a loss for words. Our tax dollars pay the salaries of these people and this system. This is inhumane to do this to someone, policy and procedure, cover my butt, before treating my fellow human being like a person. Meanwhile you have to wait and worry plus look after your children your home and the rest.
Canada what have we done to ourselves?
Did a better democracy exist then this great country before this nonsense took hold of our country?
Was my grandfather buried alive at Vimy Ridge for this Canada?
Did my husband lose a part of his father, because he fought in Europe for four years defeating Nazis, for this Canada?
Do you people on the left appreciate the sacrifices that have been made for you, by those who fought and by those who loved the ones who fought, to live in freedom you have enjoyed. Now you live in prosperity and you want to take those same freedoms from others?
I truly feel like walking away from the whole mess of the world and living my life quietly and as best that I can. If this country wants to be so stupid and whiny then let the chips fall where they may. It will not be pretty when those chips fall. I guarantee you that the people of today who cannot handle offensive speech, will not be able to handle a real fight to protect their country when anarchy breaks loose.
So many of my hopes were put on Harper to change some if this nonsense and he does not seem too concerned about principled conservatives, a little lip service here and there. Where can a person turn? I have been worried about this charge since it broke. Worried for you personally Connie and Mark, selfishly worried for myself, and worried for our country and our freedom of expression.
As paycheck stated, everyone will be a little more careful because somebody is watching and listening ready to silence their opponents. Is this the country we want? To be treated as children. To whisper so nobody can hear what we really think? Do you lefties actually think that you can suppress thought after you have suppressed the speech you do not like?
RSF, I truly do not mean to pick on you, but you are a prime example of a leftie. A truly nice person, with a sense of humor and fun, but you do not seem to handle anyone saying anything that you construe as criticism or rude to your person. What kind of life is that? This is what happens when you live in an insulated world of phony politeness, and political correctness. You do not learn to defend yourself or to identify with anything substantive. Its like overprotecting a child when they are young and they do not build an immune system to fight off the serious attacks when they are older. I truly hope that you stick around and let the men and women here toughen you up, you will become a happier person I am sure.
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Americalex
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Might I suggest that you contact them, and possibly enter their blue ribbon campaign
http://www.eff.org/br/
This may be another channel to contact to create awareness;
http://www.canadianfreespeech.com/
Good Luck,
Americalex
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J.B. Stone
Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total posts: 42062 Location: Northwest Montana Age: 61 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 07/ 20/ 07 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| Paycheck wrote: | | Connie wrote: | Nobody knows what the complaint is about yet.
Two different people from the CHRC sat on the phone with me yesterday with the complaint in front of them and refused to tell me what it said.
So now we wait until it comes in the mail. |
After this is over, the CHRC is open to a lot of criticism about how they handled the whole thing. This is one of them. They have the moral and civil obligation to tell you immediately what the charges are if you ask, not stand by like some star chamber baffoons, smirking on the end of the phone, giving you little tidbits of administrative information while withholding the substance of the complaint. It tells you the kind of functionaries and bureaucracy we are dealing with. It's like a bunch of kindergarten kids keeping a secret from a classmate "nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, we know something about you that you don't and you're going to pay alot of money..."
Freedom in Canada is turning out to be a paper reality when you have to pay for it. Health care is free but free speech is "pay as you go"...at least if you are conservative.
After this whole thing is through, there are many grounds for complaint on just the administrative botchups on this. I hope the CHRC functionaries are reading this, and realize just how much of a banana republic they are running.
Here's something else. Before the Left go all orgasmic about this in their euphoria, let me just say that it is not just Connie and the rest of us conservatives that are going to be feeling the chill. You don't expect us to simply sit around and take this bullkaka and the attacks to our livelihood and financial means to support ourselves. Complaints to the CHRC can go the other way too. It's not hard to lodge a complaint and start the ball rolling.
And while conservatives rally around and pony up money to fight for a brother or sister in the cause, the Left might have a harder time doing that as they usually rely on government to pay their way. It's their philosophy after all.
Either way, everyone - both left and right - are going to think twice from now on on what they post. That is an unfortunate situation as our society then becomes poorer and more frightened. Free speech is the casualty and tyranny becomes the order of the day. And it has not been the Right which has initiated this in this country, but the Left. In fact, if anyone can cite one case in Canada where the Left has been a target of a CHRC complaint, I would sure like to hear it. The Left is the initiator of all these attacks and they will be the cause of a complete gutting of free speech in this country. And everybody knows it.
Rest assured that in the past I have let a lot of "hate speech" go against me, but I won't hesitate to bring forward my own complaint against leftist bloggers and discussion boards who I feel have crossed the line.
There will be retaliation. If it's war the Left wants, it's war they are going to get.
I would rather not engage in this. I have a family to take care of and support. A beautiful wife and four wonderful girls. But I can read the writing on the wall. Freedominion is first. Then other bloggers, LifeSiteNews, Western Standard, and on and on it goes.
There comes a time where we have to draw the line and fight back.
I believe that if we have not approached that line, we are getting very very close.
How so very sad for our country. |
The CHRC has GOT to be the "Monte Python" of Canadian Bureaucracies...
"You sent us this dire message that we must respond YESTERDAY...!!!"
"Did not."
"I have it right here, in my hand...!!!"
"Then comply."
"...But, it's ALREADY expired...!!!"
"Then you're OBVIOUSLY guilty, pay up."
"For WHAT....???"
"That for which you are guilty, thank you."
"But the notice doesn't say what we've done...."
"Doesn't matter NOW, does it...???"
"I demand to know the charges against me..!!!"
"Pretty cheeky for someone who's been convicted, aren't we...???"
"Doesn't ANYONE know what this is about...???"
"Oh, you didn't ASK me that."
".....well....???"
"All right then, I'll forward you to the guilty parties desk.....hold, please"
[several minutes later...]
"Guilty Parties Desk...."
"I just TALKED to you....!!!"
"Are you guilty...???"
"I'm JUST trying to find out WHAT I'm charged with...!!!"
"Oh, it's YOU again."
"You forwarded me to YOURSELF...????"
"We're quite BUSY here at CHRC, so we all have to wear several hats."
"You're NOT very helpful."
"Why SHOULD I be....???....You're GUILTY...!!!"
"Of....WHAT....???"
"It's in your notice."
"The notice is EXPIRED...!!!"
"Then you're GUILTY, so you've come to the right desk...how can I help you....???"
"I just TOLD you at the OTHER desk....!!!"
"We're prohibited from eaves dropping, Ma'am, that would be Invasion of Privacy."
".....Aaaaargh.....I got this notice which expired immediately that said I had to reply in full to accusations placed against me.."
"Oh, yes I remember now....that's why I forwarded you to the Guilty Parties Desk..."
"Look, I just want to find out what I've been accused of....!!!!"
"I see....do you have your notice....???"
"Yes, it's right here in my hands."
"Good. Could you read me the number...???"
"Yes. It's number 5560023874-A......"
"Hold please...."
[several minutes later]
"Says here that notice is expired.....you're guilty."
"Of WHAT, for God's sake....???"
"Oh, right......says here HATE SPEECH."
"That's RIDICULOUS...!!!"
"Well, if you don't mind my saying so...you DO seem a bit testy...."
"HATE SPEECH....???....that's preposterous...what have I DONE...???"
"Madam, with all due respect, YOU are the guilty party....you should know."
"OK, I'm getting pretty FED UP with this process...can't you tell me ANYTHING...???"
"Well, we BOTH know you're guilty...that's a start...!!!"
"Look, all I know is that I got this expired notice that says I'm guilty...."
"I get LOTS of calls like yours, perhaps you would like to speak to the Expired Notices of Guilt Desk...???"
"What EVER....!!!"
"I'll forward you, please hold...."
[several VERY long minutes later]
"Expired Notices of Guilt Desk, how may I help you...???"
"You're the SAME person....!!!"
"Your voice DOES sound familiar, but I've got two OTHER lines ringing, please hold....."
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