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Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

ABC� — 10/ 11/ 05 9:44 am

Author: ABC�

Posted: 10/ 11/ 05 9:44 am

JOE HUEGLIN wrote:

Bart F. wrote:

Quote:

(Harper) must recognize the need for the party to broaden its base and make the kind of policy compromises inherent in that shift.

Hopefully Joe will weigh in with a summary of exactly what those compromises might be. That will be interesting because there is almost no daylight between Lib and CPC policy. I am certain Joe's pending input will not largely be about micro-parsing the difference between the CPC and LPC on SSM. I trust Joe will discuss current CPC policy and his proposed changes to make the CPC more electable and not drift into a vague ruminations about "socons" within the party making the CPC "scarey".

The writing was not mine. The full article is posted at :
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=46340

At http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=46342 is an article to read beforea discussion such as suggested above . It took a long while to get from pdf totext so I must bow out for now.

.....Joe

If you could clear up my confusion here. On Carol Jamieson's site, this writing says that its from Joe Hugelin. Shouldn't this be made clear on her site that it is not your writing? It is very misleading in my opinion.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

JOE HUEGLIN — 10/ 11/ 05 9:40 am

Author: JOE HUEGLIN

Posted: 10/ 11/ 05 9:40 am

Are you concerned as is The Cyber Menace about the being on the Obsidian Order check list?

.....Joe

"But you're not going to put my name on some kind of secret hit list, are you? Your hidden agenda tactics won't be used in the process, will they? "

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

ABC� — 10/ 11/ 05 9:25 am

Author: ABC�

Posted: 10/ 11/ 05 9:25 am

khori_wan_kenobi wrote:

http://www.progressivecanadian.org/navigation/contact.php

Regional

National Co-ordinator - Joe Hueglin
E-mail: joe.hueglin@pcparty.org
Phone: (905) 356-3901

So you're a "Ronin" with no master, who serves no one with loyalties to none, yet you're also the National Co-Ordinator for the Progressive Canadians. I suppose the Digest just "happens" to be under the "Press/News" section of their websites as well.

Perhaps Cyber Menace can have his blogs posted on that website too?

Good job Khori. You're exposing the lies and hypocrisy of this. Love this.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

Lionhead — 10/ 10/ 05 4:17 pm

Author: Lionhead

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 4:17 pm

JOE HUEGLIN wrote:

QUOTE

And to what part of the above do you consider to be "progressive"?

Perhaps it's time you considered changing the meaning of the word.

RESPONSE

Your suggestion. What is the meaning of the word "progressive" to you?

.....Joe

Your party is the one using it, Joe. The definition rests with you.

Stating that you're an alternative to the other main parties is too vague.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

JOE HUEGLIN — 10/ 10/ 05 4:13 pm

Author: JOE HUEGLIN

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 4:13 pm

QUOTE

And to what part of the above do you consider to be "progressive"?

Perhaps it's time you considered changing the meaning of the word.

RESPONSE

Your suggestion. What is the meaning of the word "progressive" to you?

.....Joe

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

JOE HUEGLIN — 10/ 10/ 05 4:09 pm

Author: JOE HUEGLIN

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 4:09 pm

The Cyber Menace wrote:

It's all true. Rebut me on any one of those points. Please, by all means.

THE ONUS IS ON YOU TO SUBSTANTIATE

But you're not going to put my name on some kind of secret hit list, are you? Your hidden agenda tactics won't be used in the process, will they?

WHERE DID THIS ONE COME FROM?

Principled disussion my a**.

AGREED.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

Lionhead — 10/ 10/ 05 4:07 pm

Author: Lionhead

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 4:07 pm

JOE HUEGLIN wrote:

Several purposes of the PC Party (my view as an individual):

-1- to provide a political vehicle for those unprepared to support either the CPC or LPC or NDP as national parties.

-2- to ensure a registered political party exists to compete with the LPC should the CPC become viewed as the NDP of the Right.

-2- to offer the option of a progressive-conservative political formation of the nature of the Liberal-Conservative Party, 1854-2003

.....Joe

And to what part of the above do you consider to be "progressive"?

Perhaps it's time you considered changing the meaning of the word.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

The Cyber Menace — 10/ 10/ 05 3:58 pm

Author: The Cyber Menace

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 3:58 pm

It's all true. Rebut me on any one of those points. Please, by all means.

But you're not going to put my name on some kind of secret hit list, are you? Your hidden agenda tactics won't be used in the process, will they?

Principled disussion my a**.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

JOE HUEGLIN — 10/ 10/ 05 3:54 pm

Author: JOE HUEGLIN

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 3:54 pm

The Cyber Menace wrote:

Purpose of the Progressive Losers:

- Agitate because Canadian conservatives rejected their narrow vision for the country, as have Canadians -- outright.

- Lie about the CPC.

- Lie about themselves and their history.

- Whine and keep lying about it all, just like their hero Joe Clark: the biggest fool to have ever considered himself a serious politician in Canadian history.

Again, thoughtful argumentation worthy of "true principled conservatives".

.....Joe

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

leewgrant — 10/ 10/ 05 3:52 pm

Author: leewgrant

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 3:52 pm

The Cyber Menace wrote:

There are those who won't budge on all issues. That's why it's up to the leader to be a leader. Harper is always criticized for the opposite, despite being the one leader who in fact has shown an ounce of compromise.

And he is not getting credit for it -- and that 's because he has never been an effective communicator.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

The Cyber Menace — 10/ 10/ 05 3:37 pm

Author: The Cyber Menace

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 3:37 pm

Purpose of the Progressive Losers:

- Agitate because Canadian conservatives rejected their narrow vision for the country, as have Canadians -- outright.

- Lie about the CPC.

- Lie about themselves and their history.

- Whine and keep lying about it all, just like their hero Joe Clark: the biggest fool to have ever considered himself a serious politician in Canadian history.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

JOE HUEGLIN — 10/ 10/ 05 3:32 pm

Author: JOE HUEGLIN

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 3:32 pm

bulldog905 wrote:

During the last election the sole purpose of the "PC Party" was to confuse conservative voters, and to make them waste their vote on a joke party, instead of voting for the CPC.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

The Cyber Menace — 10/ 10/ 05 3:02 pm

Author: The Cyber Menace

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 3:02 pm

khori_wan_kenobi wrote:

CM,

I'm just getting tired of people passing themselves off as "Conservatives" (implying that they're supporters of the CPC) just so they can give an impression of legitimacy to their partisan attacks.

Indeed.

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

JOE HUEGLIN — 10/ 10/ 05 3:01 pm

Author: JOE HUEGLIN

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 3:01 pm

The Cyber Menace wrote:

He's cited as the third highest official in the party. Yet he comes here and says he has no master. It's all lies and hidden agendas from these people.

The Cyber Menace wrote:

I wonder how much he gets paid for coming on here and acting like a spy.

khori_wan_kenobi wrote:

Excellent examples of "true principled conservatives" writings.

.....Joe

Re: Joe Hueglin gives backstabbers food for thought?

The Cyber Menace — 10/ 10/ 05 3:00 pm

Author: The Cyber Menace

Posted: 10/ 10/ 05 3:00 pm

leewgrant wrote:

The Cyber Menace wrote:

leewgrant wrote:

The Cyber Menace wrote:

The sticking point with some of these people seems to be gay marriage. They beg Harper for compromise on the issue. Indeed, he's the only leader willing to show any compromise with the proposal for civil unions. Yet that's not good enough. The same people who keep telling us Canadians want balance and moderation turn around and tell us every single party must worship gay marriage. This is nonsense.

On the other hand there are those so-cons who won't support Harper because they disagree with hetero marriages and homo civil unions having the same legal status. We need compromise on both sides.

Indeed, Harper has shown compromise. The leaders for gay marriage haven't. That's what we're talking about here.

I agree that Harper has compromised and I agree gay activists haven't. But in addition there are social conservatives who won't go along with Harper because they believe that gay unions should not have the same legal status as traditional marriage.